February 2004 - address-policy-wg

RE: [address-policy-wg] New Draft Document: De-boganising New AddressBlocks
by Michel Py 27 Feb '04

27 Feb '04

> Rob Thomas wrote: > The reality is that the miscreants are seeing a lower > return on the investment when spoofing from bogon prefixes. Because they are being filtered :-) If more people filtered bogons, the "ROI" would be even lower. Although it is clear that bogon filtering is not a complete cure for spoofing, it does help and it also helps for some spammers. The only negative effect of bogon filtering is not-up-to-date filters, which is why we have written this draft that will expand the applicability domain of bogon route servers and other filtering schemes. Michel.

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Re: [address-policy-wg] New Draft Document: De-boganising New Address Blocks
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

>The RIPE NCC has prepared a draft document titled "De-Bogonising New >Address Blocks": That is a misleading title. The problem is that ISPs cannot react quickly enough to open filters when new ranges are allocated. The proposed solution is to provide advance notification. I suppose this could allow ISPs to open filters before the new addresses are actually in use officially. However, it will also allow spammers to announce this space and get it through bogon filters. The real solution to this problem is to make it possible for ISPs to closely track RIR allocations in their filters in a semi-automated way. There may still be a few days of delay before a new allocation is fully routable but ISPs can compensate for that with internal processes. Why can't ISPs subscribe to a feed of all new RIPE allocations in near real-time? --Michael Dillon

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New Draft Document: De-boganising New Address Blocks
by RIPE NCC WebMaster 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

(Apologies for duplicate mails) Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC has prepared a draft document titled "De-Bogonising New Address Blocks": <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/deboganising-draft.html> Abstract "This document describes an improvement in the notification process about new blocks of address space being distributed by the RIRs. It is a draft at this stage and your comments are solicited. However to gain experience before finalising the procedures, the RIPE NCC will shortly start announcing the routes from 84/8 described in the document under "pilot"." This document is published as a draft document in order to give RIPE NCC members time to read it and provide feedback. This draft document can be discussed on the RIPE NCC Services Working Group mailing list at <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Webmaster RIPE NCC

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REMINDER: ARIN to allocate from 70.0.0.0/8
by Leslie Nobile 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Hello- This is a reminder that ARIN will begin allocating IP address space from 70.0.0.0/8 in the immediate future. This will include allocations of /20 and shorter prefixes, according to ARIN's minimum allocation policy. You may wish to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly. For informational purposes, a list of ARIN's currently administered IP blocks can be found under "CIDR Blocks" at: http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html Regards, Leslie Nobile Director, Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

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RIPE 47 Meeting Report
by Nick Hyrka 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

(Apologies for any duplicate mails.) RIPE 47 Meeting Report Dear Colleagues, The <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/index.html>RIPE 47 Meeting was held from 26 - 30 January 2004 at the Grand Hotel Krasnapolsky, Amsterdam, the Netherlands. There were a total of 253 attendees comprised of the RIPE NCC membership, the RIPE community and government representatives. Attendees also included representatives from APNIC, ARIN, AfriNIC, LACNIC, ICANN and IANA. HIGHLIGHTS ========== - Highlights of RIPE 47 included the open discussion on the services of the RIPE NCC during the RIPE NCC Services Working Group; updates on the World Summit on the Information Society from Mirjam Khne, ISOC, and Axel Pawlik, Managing Director, RIPE NCC; an AfriNIC update; the proposal by the RIPE community to make RIPE 152 ( 'Charging by Local Internet Registries') a historical document. - As announced by Rob Blokzijl, RIPE Chair, two RIPE Meetings will be held in 2005. Based on the feedback from the community, this schedule will continue in 2006. The RIPE NCC will offer additional support to RIPE Working Groups to facilitate discussion and progress between RIPE Meetings. - Robin Tasker (CCLRC) gave a presentation on the European Commission-sponsored DataTAG project. - The European Operators Forum (EOF) featured an NSP Security BoF, a presentation on which types of SMTP flows should be blocked to prevent spam, a case study on the migration of AOL's backbone network from OSPF to IS-IS and discussion on the use of XML in network configuration. EOF presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/index.html#eof>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/index.html#eof - The RIPE NCC, Afilias, Cisco, NIKHEF, NOKIA, Riverhead and SURFnet are thanked for the support they provided to the meeting. Global Voice Networks are thanked for the provision of excellent Internet connectivity. SUMMARY ======== ADDRESS POLICY - It was proposed that RIPE 152 ('Charging by Local Internet Registries') should be made a historical document and that the RIPE NCC should make a clear statement on <http://www.ripe.net/>www.ripe.net that it does not charge for IP addresses. - Hans Petter Holen, Chair, will form a task force to write a policy development process proposal. - Consensus is needed on the mailing list on the AfriNIC proposal regarding /22 minimum allocation size. - Hans Petter Holen, Chair, will start a discussion on the mailing list on changing the 80% rule for IPv4 allocations. Address Policy Working Group presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#ap>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#ap DATABASE - The issue of CRISP versus joint Whois was discussed. - The proposal to introduce new attribute "abuse-c" in the inet(6)num objects was discussed. - A detailed proposal about "abuse-c" will be sent to Database Working Group mailing list. Database Working Group presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#db>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#db TEST TRAFFIC MEASUREMENT (TTM) - It was noted that as of 1/1/2004 changes were made to the TTM service contract: Fees were lowered (from 3000 EUR per year to 1000 EUR per year) and all data has been made public as specified in RIPE 300 ('Test Traffic Measurement Service Data Disclosure Policy'). - Two presentations made use of TTM delay data: a presentation on delay tomography used traceroute data from the TTM project; a presentation on the reordering of IP packets used delay data. TTM Working Group presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#tt>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#tt ANTI-SPAM - A proposal has been sent to the Database Working Group mailing list regarding the inclusion of an abuse-c attribute/object in the RIPE Database to help solve the problem of misdirected/multiple spam complaints. - It was noted that the European Commission Directive is now widely implemented and that in the United States CAN-SPAM is the first federal legislation. IPv6 - The anycast policy discussion was sent to the Address Policy Working Group. - There was discussion on how 6 to 4 is being used to spoof IPv4 origin addresses to make Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks anonymous. - There was a presentation on the security implications of IPv6 on IPv4 networks. IPv6 Working Group presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#ipv6>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#ipv6 EIX - An editorial group will be set up to revise the exchange point operator wish list for switches. - Operator-member charters for exchange points were discussed. - DE-CIX presented their experience migrating to new hardware and adding new premises. EIX Working Group presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#eix>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#eix DN* - The DNR Forum and the DNS Working Group were combined under the DNS Working Group heading. - It was noted that the ENUM RFC 2916bis has been approved by the IETF Working Group and is in the queue of the RFC editor. - It was noted that Internationalized Domain Names (IDN) are being deployed in more new regions. DN* Working Group presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#dn>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#dn ROUTING - There was a presentation on RISwhois, a tool that allows IP address to origin ASN mapping. - Case studies about convergence of IGP protocols were presented and discussed. Routing Working Group presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#routing>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#routing RIPE NCC SERVICES - Bijal Sanghani, FLAG Telecom, was appointed as the co-chair of the Working Group. - The RIPE NCC will explore the possibility of providing a service giving test statistics on the routability of new blocks. - The RIPE NCC will give a status update on the Activity Plan 2004 and request input for the Activity Plan 2005 during the RIPE NCC Services Working Group at RIPE 48. RIPE NCC Services Working Group presentations can be viewed at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#ncc-services>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/#ncc-services TUTORIALS ========= The RIPE NCC staff presented the RIPE NCC IP Request Tutorial. It explained address space assignment and allocation procedures in the RIPE NCC region: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/tutorials/ip-request/>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/tutorials/ip-request/ RIPE 47 WEBCASTING AND ARCHIVES ============================== During RIPE 47, the RIPE NCC held trials in collecting feedback from participants watching the webcast. The mediums used for this were IRC and Jabber. Archives of presentations, webcasts and IRC/Jabber feedback from RIPE 47 are available at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/sessions-archive.html>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/sessions-archive.html HOSTMASTER CONSULTATION CENTRE (HCC) ==================================== The RIPE NCC Hostmaster Consultation Centre was open at RIPE 47, allowing RIPE NCC Members to discuss issues relating to their business directly with RIPE NCC Hostmasters. RIPE 47 REFERENCE PAGE ====================== A complete list of RIPE 47 sessions, tutorials and presentations can be found at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/index.html>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/index.html "MEET & GREET" ============= The RIPE NCC's "Meet & Greet" was available for first-time RIPE Meeting attendees at RIPE 47. "Meet & Greet" introduces newcomers to the meetings, to key attendees from the RIPE community and to social events throughout the week. More information can be obtained by contacting: <meet-greet(a)ripe.net>. RIPE 48 ====== RIPE 48 will be held in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, from 3 - 7 May 2004. Information on RIPE 48 will soon be made available at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-48/>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-48/ New Local Internet Registries (LIRs) ========================== Please note: New LIRs are entitled to two (2) free tickets to attend a RIPE Meeting. The tickets cover the meeting fee only and do not apply to the RIPE dinner, travel or hotel accommodation. More information on the new LIR tickets can be found at: <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/new-lir.html>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/new-lir.html For more information, contact <meeting(a)ripe.net>. -- end --

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Draft minutes: RIPE 47 Address Policy WG session
by leo vegoda 20 Feb '04

20 Feb '04

Dear Colleagues, Draft minutes from the Address Policy Working Group session at RIPE 47 can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/address-policy/r47-minutes.html Please check the minutes for errors or omissions. Comments and corrections can be sent directly to this list or to one of the WG chairs personally. Kind regards, -- leo vegoda Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC

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IP assignment
by Tahsin Bekdemir 16 Feb '04

16 Feb '04

Hi, One of the our customers use an IP block including few IP addresses now. They plan to upgrade their IP network and will need C class network.They asked us a independent IP block . What is the requirements for a PI assignment? Tahsin BEKDEMIR Network Services Dogan Online Hurriyet Medya Towers,Gunesli Istanbul, TURKEY Phone: +90-212-677 00 00 /ext:2363 E-mail: tbekdemir(a)dol.com.tr -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-admin(a)ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Thilo Salmon Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:57 PM To: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [address-policy-wg] (no subject) Hello everyone, when RIPE received 82/8 from IANA about a year ago, there has been a discussion on potential routing issues due to ancient filters on this list. That thread went far enough to raise the question whether or not subnets in question should be returned. Getting my daily fix of tech rants I noticed this issue appears to have resurfaced in the mainstream media at http://heise.de/newsticker/data/hob-26.01.04-000/ (German) http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://heise.de/news ticker/data/hob-26.01.04-000/ (Google translation) We received a prefix from within this network which we plan to use soon and I am now wondering whether or not we can expect to run into problems. Going through a number of looking glasses I could see my announcement just fine. But then, ISPs who offer lookging glass services are probably more likely to keep their filters up to date. Has anybody used 82/8 subnets and gathered real life experience on how they route? I'd much rather be prepared, if this turns into a teaching assignment. Thilo

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(no subject)
by Thilo Salmon 15 Feb '04

15 Feb '04

Hello everyone, when RIPE received 82/8 from IANA about a year ago, there has been a discussion on potential routing issues due to ancient filters on this list. That thread went far enough to raise the question whether or not subnets in question should be returned. Getting my daily fix of tech rants I noticed this issue appears to have resurfaced in the mainstream media at http://heise.de/newsticker/data/hob-26.01.04-000/ (German) http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://heise.de/newstic… (Google translation) We received a prefix from within this network which we plan to use soon and I am now wondering whether or not we can expect to run into problems. Going through a number of looking glasses I could see my announcement just fine. But then, ISPs who offer lookging glass services are probably more likely to keep their filters up to date. Has anybody used 82/8 subnets and gathered real life experience on how they route? I'd much rather be prepared, if this turns into a teaching assignment. Thilo

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