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RE: [address-policy-wg] getting second IPv6 PA as a LIR
by poty＠iiat.ru 04 May '11

04 May '11

-----Original Message----- From: Martin Millnert [mailto:millnert@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:23 PM To: Potapov Vladislav Cc: slz(a)baycix.de; address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] getting second IPv6 PA as a LIR On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:37 AM, <poty(a)iiat.ru> wrote: >>> And why wouldn't the Internet work with 600,000 prefixes in the DFZ? >> >> Now all of a sudden for instance Cisco 7600 3CXL isn't enough to old a > full table (at around 750k). >> >> Also, IPv6 uses twice the TCAM resources as IPv4... > > so, basically what you are saying is that you know that your routers > need an upgrade in 5 years and you > don't want to pay for an upgrade or you can't figure out a business plan > which covers the costs for that? > But you are telling small ISPs/NCOs/"hobbyusers"/whatever THEY don't get > their business plan right > if they don't can afford paying $$$ for PI space or rather would prefer > to pay other bills with the > money? WTF?! > > ------ > No, the problem that the small ISPs you are speaking about will have to > spend that money to swallow such routing table. And it is not $2000, > "slightly" more... Not really; normal PC RAM is pretty cheap. 16GB ECC/REG ~400 EUR. /M -------- It's not about storing, it's all about using. And here we get to the problem.

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help
by Kovac, Pavol 03 May '11

03 May '11

Dear RIPE wg, I would like to ask you about present proposal "Removal of Multihomed requirement for IPv6 PI" version 1.0 12 April 2011. I see Current Phase Ends: 13 May 2011. What will happened after 13rd May ? I registered as a subscriber of this mailing list. Will I receive any info about changes on this proposal ? Thank you Pavol Kovac

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Re: [address-policy-wg] 2008-08 (Initial Certification Policy
by Sascha Luck 03 May '11

03 May '11

Hi ap-wg, I do NOT support this proposal for the very same reasons that Malcolm so eruditely laid out in his post. All that's left for me is to state that, in this case, the cure is infinitely worse than the disease. Kind Regards, Sascha Luck

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2006-05 New Draft Document Published (PI Assignment Size)
by Emilio Madaio 26 Apr '11

26 Apr '11

Dear Colleagues, Following the feedback received at RIPE 60, the proposal 2006-05 was taken over by a new proposer and a new version was produced. The draft document for the new version of the proposal has been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published. You can find the full proposal at: http://ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2006-05.html and the draft document at: http://ripe.net/ripe/draft-documents/ripe-492-draft2006-05.html We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 18 November 2010. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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2008-08 Last Call for Comments (Initial Certification Policy in the RIPE NCC Service Region)
by Emilio Madaio 26 Apr '11

26 Apr '11

Dear Colleagues, The proposal described in 2008-08 is now at its Concluding Phase, as per decision of the Address Policy WG Chairs. You can find the full proposal at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2008-08 Please e-mail any final comments about this proposal to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 24 May 2011. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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2011-01 Discussion Period extended until 19 May 2011 (Global Policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA)
by Emilio Madaio 26 Apr '11

26 Apr '11

Dear Colleagues, The Discussion Period for the global policy proposal 2011-01 has been extended, in agreement with the proposer, until 19 May 2011. You can find the full proposal at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2011-01 We encourage you to review this policy proposal and send your comments to <address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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2008-08 New Draft Document Published (Initial Certification Policy in the RIPE NCC Service Region)
by Emilio Madaio 25 Apr '11

25 Apr '11

Dear Colleagues, Following the feedback received, the draft document for the proposal described in 2008-08 was edited and published. The new impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published. You can find the full proposal at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2008-08 and the draft document at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2008-08/draft We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net before 26 April 2011. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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Cosmetic Surgery Project: New Draft Document for IPv6 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy
by Emilio Madaio 20 Apr '11

20 Apr '11

Dear colleagues, At RIPE 59 in Lisbon in October 2009, the RIPE NCC announced that it would undertake a project to make various RIPE Policy Documents easier to understand without changing the meaning of the text. We have just finished merging the following three policies into one document: -ripe-512 "IPv6 Address Allocation and Assignment Policy" -ripe-451 "IPv6 Address Space Policy for Internet Exchange Points" -ripe-233 "IPv6 Addresses for Internet Root Servers in the RIPE Region" A draft of the new merged document is online and ready for community review at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/updated-documents/ We encourage you to read this merged version and send any comments to address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> by 18 May 2011. Kind Regards, Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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AW: [address-policy-wg] 2011-02 New Policy Proposal (Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6)
by Marcus.Gerdon 19 Apr '11

19 Apr '11

Michiel, > Not everything on the internet is a bussiness with needs and > a large bag of > cash. Please also consider the non-profit organisations with > valid reasons > of running their own PI network. I'd be quite interested in hearing/reading your thoughts about the 'valid reasons' you see. I currently can't think of any non-multihoming PI requirement in establishing internet access for enterprises (and non-profits / ngo are alike in the meanwhile) that validate driving additional cost for every network to support their PI without technical need. kind regards, Marcus

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AP meeting at RIPE 62 - Agenda draft
by Gert Doering 15 Apr '11

15 Apr '11

Hi APWG folks, RIPE meeting orga, below you can find a draft for the RIPE address policy WG meeting's agenda, which will take place in Amsterdam in the following three time slots: Thursday, May 05, 09:00 - 10:30 Thursday, May 05, 11:00 - 12:30 Friday, May 06, 09:00 - 11:30 The exact time lines depend a bit on how much discussion is going on, so we might move items one time slot "up" or "down". If you have anything else you want to see on the agenda, or of we need to change anything, please let us know. regards, Gert Doering, APWG chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, 09:00-10:30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Administrative Matters (welcome, thanking the scribe, approving the minutes, etc.) B. Current Policy Topics - Emilio Madaio - global policy overview "what's going on?" - common policy topics in all regions (end of IPv4, transfers, ...) - overview over concluded proposals in the RIPE region since RIPE61 2010-05 Global Policy for IPv4 ... post exhaustion - withdrawn 2010-06 Registration Requirements for IPv6 ... Assignments - accepted 2010-07 Ambiguity cleanup on IPv6 Addr. ... Policy for IXP - withdrawn 2010-02 Allocations from the last /8 - accepted 2008-07 Effcient Use of Historical IPv4 Resources - withdrawn 2010-01 Temporary Internet Number Assignment Polices - Last Call - brief overview over new proposals (2011-01, 2011-02) C. Document Cosmetic Surgeries Project - Emilio Madaio - update on current status - how to go forward? D. On IPv6 Documentation Requirements - Marco Hogewoning Short presentation explaining how the policy change 2010-06 and AGGREGATED-BY-LIR affects day-to-day business for LIRs assigning IPv6 blocks to end users. E. Rough Edges of the current policies Report from the RIPE NCC Registration Services department on issues and unintended side-effects showing up in the daily implementation of the RIPE policies. o policy for upgrade of "initial /32 allocation" assigned to large carriers to "something large enough for their needs" (Explanation how these cases are currently handled, Alex Le Heux) o IPv6 PI discussions between RIPE members and the NCC RS (Explanation to the audience where the "sore spots" are, Alex L.H.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, 11:00-12:30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- L. On IPv6 PI Policy Discussion how the IPv6 PA/PI policies can be reworked in a fundamental way to better fit the needs of all IPv6 Users. Discussion led by working group chairs. M. Discussion of open policy proposals - IPv6 related 2011-02 (IPv6 PI multihoming) N. On Transfer Guidelines - David Wilson bringing non-obvious problems with transfers into the open goal: write a RIPE BCP document ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, 09:00-10:30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- S. More Rough Edges of the current policies "if more things show up" T. Discussion of open policy proposals 2006-05 IPv4 PI Assignment Size [ONGOING] 2008-08 Initial Certification Policy for (...) Address Space Holders [ONGOING] 2010-01 Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policies [ONGOING] 2011-01 Global Policy for post exhaustion IPv4 allocation mechanisms by the IANA [NEW policy proposal] Y. Open Policy Hour "The Open Policy Hour (OPH) is a showcase for your policy ideas. If you have a policy proposal you'd like to debut, prior to formally submitting it, here is your opportunity." (Idea from ARIN policy meeting) Z. AOB -- did you enable IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279

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