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RE: [address-policy-wg] Re: Is the time for conservation over?
by Michel Py 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

> Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > For those who do not (yet) know him, be assured you can safely > ignore all messages coming from Jeff Williams, known troll in > the Internet governance issues. Indeed. I have heard some rumors that Jeff Williams and Jim Fleming are the same person. Or maybe there is a brotherhood of trolls. > (And, as we know, IPv8 does not exist.) I actually read it a while ago. I will not go as far as recommending reading it, but I found it both hilarious and a somehow extensive list of exactly what not to do :-) Michel.

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IPv4 Address Space
by Paul Rendek 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

[Apologies for duplicate mailings] Dear Colleagues, There have been press articles posted over the past year that make statements about the remaining pool of IPv4 address space. A recent article states there is a shortage and that Internet Protocol Numbers will run out some time in the year 2005. The Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) do not themselves make predictions about when the remaining IPv4 address space will be depleted. They do, however, report on the rates of RIR allocation of IPv4 address space and on the state of the remaining pool of IPv4 address space. The information provided in these RIR reports makes it apparent that many of the recent claims regarding IPv4 address space shortage are speculative and are not based on authoritative, publicly available statistics. IPv4 Address Space: Current Statistics ============================ The global pool of IPv4 addresses is administered by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), which allocates address blocks to Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) as they are required. The IPv4 allocation unit in this case is the "/8 block", equivalent to approximately 16 million addresses. It should be noted that as of 30 June 2003 the global pool of IPv4 address space contained 91 of these blocks for this purpose. The RIRs report on statistics regarding IPv4 allocation on their respective web sites and present a "Joint Statistics" report at each of the RIR meetings and at other Internet industry meetings several times yearly. This information is publicly available and provides the most up-to-date statistics on rates of IPv4 allocation. The most recent presentation on this subject can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/rs/statistics/resource-status-200310.pdf This report states that the RIRs have collectively allocated 19.59 /8 equivalents in the four and a half years between January 1999 and June 2003. It also identifies that there are 91 /8 equivalents held by the IANA in reserve for future allocation by the RIRs. Based on today's total global allocation rate of approximately 4.25 blocks per year in 2002, or 5.5 blocks in 2001, and the remaining pool of 91 blocks held by IANA, it is unrealistic to assume that there is an imminent shortage in the IPv4 address space. Even allowing for a dramatic increase in address consumption rates, it is highly probable that IPv4 address space will last well beyond the two years predicted by some. IPv4 Address Space: Allocated Globally According to Regional Needs ================================================== The RIRs are not-for-profit membership organisations dedicated to providing neutral and fair Internet resource distribution to their members, while ensuring the conservation and aggregation of IPv4 address space. The IANA policies for allocation of IPv4 address blocks to the RIRs are applied fairly and are based purely on the documented need for address space. When IPv4 address space finally "runs out" this will occur at the global level, leaving each region with a relatively small pool of addresses remaining to be allocated. It has been suggested that Asia will experience an IPv4 address shortage before other regions. This is simply not true. This is because addresses are distributed in a co-ordinated fashion from a single global pool, and there is no system whereby that pool is exclusively divided among, or pre-allocated to, different countries or regions. Through the current system of address administration, IP addresses are allocated according to immediate need wherever that need is demonstrated and it is simply not possible for isolated "shortages" to exist. As has been done in the past, the RIRs will continue to report regularly on the registration and allocation rates of Internet Protocol Numbers, and will work closely with the IANA to ensure the efficient management of the remaining IPv4 address space. RIR Statistics: ========== APNIC http://www.apnic.net/info/reports/index.html ARIN http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html LACNIC http://www.lacnic.net/en/est.html RIPE NCC http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/registration/statistics/ Raw Data/Historical RIR Allocations: ========================== http://www.aso.icann.org/stats/index.html http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space The Internet Number Resource Status Report, prepared jointly by the four RIRs, provides up-to-date statistics on rates of IPv4 allocation. This presentation is available at: http://www.ripe.net/rs/statistics/resource-status-200310.pdf Cheers, Paul Rendek Head of Member Services and Communications RIPE NCC

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RIPE NCC Dubai Meeting, Dec. 2003 - Updated Agenda
by Membership Liason Officer 29 Oct '03

29 Oct '03

[Apologies for duplicate mails] Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, Middle East, will be held 7 - 9 December 2003 at the Metropolitan Palace Hotel, Dubai, U.A.E. The meeting will focus on Internet Resource management issues. Attendance to the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting is open and free of charge. However, attendees are responsible for covering their own travel and accommodation costs. UPDATED AGENDA The agenda has been updated with more information about speakers and presentations. The preliminary list of speakers includes: - Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair) - Tim Mertens (CENTR) - Keith Mitchell (XchangePoint) - Axel Pawlik (RIPE NCC) - Phillip Smith (Cisco Systems) The Director General of APNIC, Paul Wilson, will also give a presentation on IPv4 address lifetime expectancy. For the full agenda, please see: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/regional-meetings/dubai-2003/plan.html The RIPE NCC has reserved several presentation opportunities for those with local knowledge of Internet management and operational issues affecting the Middle East. If your organisation wishes to provide a presentation or suggest a relevant topic, please send your proposal by e-mail to: <contact(a)ripe.net>. ATTENDEE LIST The attendee list is regularly updated with new registrations and is now available online at: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/regional-meetings/dubai-2003/attendees.html HOTEL RESERVATIONS: The RIPE NCC has arranged for a block of rooms to be held for meeting attendees at the Metropolitan Palace Hotel and the Metropolitan Hotel Sheikh Zayed Road, Dubai. There are a limited number of rooms available, so we strongly suggest you book early to avoid disappointment. For more information about these hotels, and to reserve a room, please see: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/regional-meetings/dubai-2003/hotel-information.… REGISTRATION To register for the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, Middle East, please see: http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/dubai-reg Any further questions about the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, Middle East, can be sent directly to: <contact(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Sabrina Wilmot Membership Liaison Officer RIPE NCC

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Re: [address-policy-wg] Is the time for conservation over?
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

>It sounds a little bit contradictory to give away IPv4 addresses when >you want people to migrate to IPv6, doesn't it? One of the supposed >advantage of IPv6 is the as-much-as-you-can-eat approach to addresses >So I think your proposal is seriously flawed and contradicts your >desired goal. You forgot this next bit. Think it through... >> In addition, I don't see any good reason to wait until LIRs come and ask >> for IPv6 space. It's not scarce and the vast majority of IPv4 LIRs will >> be deploying IPv6 sometime. So why don't we just give every single >> one of them an IPv6 /32 today. Instead of creating barriers to the >> adoption We give out free IPv6 addresses to everyone using IPv4. And we make it easier for new organizations to receive blocks of globally unique registered IPv4 addresses, i.e. not hijacked addresses and not RFC 1918 addresses. In any case, this is just lowering a barrier. It doesn't solve every IPv6 issue but it does remove an unecessary barrier. --Michael Dillon

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RIPE-288, Publishing date correction
by RIPE NCC WebMaster 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

Dear colleagues, The correct publishing date for the new "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region" (ripe-288) is 28 October 2003, not 14 June 2002 as previously stated. Apologies for the inconvenience, Jeroen Bet RIPE NCC WEBMASTER ==================

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New Document available: RIPE-288
by RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

[Apologies for duplicate mails] New RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-288 Title: IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region Author: Mirjam Kuehne, Paul Rendek, Sabrina Wilmot, Leo Vegoda Date: 14 June 2002 Format: PDF=90203 TXT=34659 Obsoletes: ripe-104, ripe-105, ripe-136, ripe-140, ripe-159, ripe-185, ripe-234 Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: Short content description ------------------------- The RIPE NCC is pleased to announce the publication of the updated RIPE IPv4 policy document, IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region (ripe-288). The revised document includes the following major updates: - Recent policy changes have been incorporated, including the policy allowing assignments for Internet experiments and the sub-allocation policy. - The explanation of how to use the database has been removed as a separate "RIPE Database User Manual: Getting Started" (ripe-253) was published in September 2002. - The document now incorporates the text from "Provider Independent vs Provider Aggregatable Address Space" (ripe-127). - The document now specifies database registration requirements. Following comments from the community, the wording of the document has also been improved to clarify the policy. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE documents in HTML format via our website at the following URL:. http://www.ripe.net/docs/ipv4-policies.html The RIPE Document Store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-288.pdf PDF version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-288.txt plain text version

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re: Is the time for conservation over?
by Bart.Jan.Menkveld＠pqr.nl 28 Oct '03

28 Oct '03

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RE: [address-policy-wg] Is the time for conservation over?
by Michel Py 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

> Andre Oppermann wrote: > The problem with IPv6 is that it doesn't fix any problems. When > IPv6 was engineered it was done with (from today's perspective) > wrong assumptions about the goals to achieve. Think about > multihoming for IPv6 which is currently not possible (except > for ISPs). And much more stuff on the operational side. Much agree with this. Michel.

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RE: [address-policy-wg] IPv4 Exhaustion
by Mark Hands 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

Magic :-) Thanks everyone..... Mark Hands ntl: Hook Senior Data Planning Engineer t: 01256 752624 m: 07866 572314 e: mark.hands(a)ntl.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael.Dillon(a)radianz.com [mailto:Michael.Dillon@radianz.com] Sent: 27 October 2003 13:35 To: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] IPv4 Exhaustion >I am trying to get hold of accurate, up-top-date figures showing me how much >IPv4 space there is left, and how long that is predicted to last. >I cannot find any up-to-date presentations, charts or reports on RIPE, ARIN, >ICANN or IANA. >Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place....can someone help me please. Check the latest ARIN newsletter here http://www.arin.net/announcements/20031008.html available in PDF format. The article on exhaustion is by Geoff Huston who periodically posts article on the topic here http://www.potaroo.net/ispcolumn/ and here http://www.potaroo.net/papers.html Note the reference to RIPE 46 at that last URL. In general RIPE, ARIN and APNIC meetings are a good way to keep up to date on this and other addressing issues. In the ARIN region the trend of IP address consumption continues its slow downward slide and the policy trend continues towards making it easier for smaller entities to receive blocks of IP addresses direct from the RIR. In general, I think RIPE members on this list would find it useful to keep track of the ARIN meetings and their outcomes. There was a meeting last week in Chicago http://www.arin.net/ARIN-XII/index.html and the agenda page has links to most of the presentations. The minutes should be up on the site in a week or so. Policy outcomes take a while to be announced because of the need for Board of Trustees ratification. Note that I am *NOT* suggesting that RIPE policy should be synchronised in any way with ARIN policy. I believe that regions need to make policy that works in their own political, economic and social climates. However, it is useful to be aware of the context in other regions when making policy because sometimes good ideas pop up elsewhere first. --Michael Dillon located in London but getting addresses from ARIN The contents of this email and any attachments are sent for the personal attention of the addressee(s) only and may be confidential. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, disclosure or copying of this email and any attachments is unauthorised - please notify the sender by return and delete the message. Any representations or commitments expressed in this email are subject to contract. ntl Group Limited

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Re: [address-policy-wg] IPv4 Exhaustion
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 27 Oct '03

27 Oct '03

>I am trying to get hold of accurate, up-top-date figures showing me how much >IPv4 space there is left, and how long that is predicted to last. >I cannot find any up-to-date presentations, charts or reports on RIPE, ARIN, >ICANN or IANA. >Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place....can someone help me please. Check the latest ARIN newsletter here http://www.arin.net/announcements/20031008.html available in PDF format. The article on exhaustion is by Geoff Huston who periodically posts article on the topic here http://www.potaroo.net/ispcolumn/ and here http://www.potaroo.net/papers.html Note the reference to RIPE 46 at that last URL. In general RIPE, ARIN and APNIC meetings are a good way to keep up to date on this and other addressing issues. In the ARIN region the trend of IP address consumption continues its slow downward slide and the policy trend continues towards making it easier for smaller entities to receive blocks of IP addresses direct from the RIR. In general, I think RIPE members on this list would find it useful to keep track of the ARIN meetings and their outcomes. There was a meeting last week in Chicago http://www.arin.net/ARIN-XII/index.html and the agenda page has links to most of the presentations. The minutes should be up on the site in a week or so. Policy outcomes take a while to be announced because of the need for Board of Trustees ratification. Note that I am *NOT* suggesting that RIPE policy should be synchronised in any way with ARIN policy. I believe that regions need to make policy that works in their own political, economic and social climates. However, it is useful to be aware of the context in other regions when making policy because sometimes good ideas pop up elsewhere first. --Michael Dillon located in London but getting addresses from ARIN

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