Hello! I have been considering different ideas how to implement a good system. That improves the current resource-distribution system. Because i think we can all agree that we should only implement changes that provide a significant improvement over the current situation. Sadly i have failed to find language that would achieve the goal. Lets try define some scenarios and clearly outline what we are trying to solve and what the side-effects are. To me it appears the "issue" at hand is that some members feel that new LIRs will suffer from a reduced chance to recieve a /24 in the future. *) Auction mode suggestion: Realistically, this means, that in the short term this will disrupt the "aftermarket", but i do not think the amount of requests will go down. In fact, it may have the opposite effect. As its more convienient and represents less "risk" than a transaction via broker. *) Only new members can request a /24 This instantly you down the road of evaluating and clawing for proof/documentation without a good method of verification. Lets face the fact that its easy to spin off new businesses. So instead of the "main company" sending the request, now you get an influx of newly formed companies (ie a LLC creats 5 LLCs for sub parts of its business, maybe one per location?). Are any of those "non legimiate"? How do you define a verification process for that (asset based? if yes, what if they hold colocation contracts+server+router hardware"?....) If we severely limit based on company ownership, or,.. then we quickly go down the path of "free will" assignments vs an exactly defined process/path. Alternativly: all i see is a lot of database polution without any real value being added. ..... If we cannot find language to guarantee a clear guideline for new assignments, where the positive effects outway the negative consequences, then: I think we should just accept the fact that we will likely not improve the current situation. Especially in the context of the current state of things, where a few years down the road, there will be no alternative to said "aftermarket". Regards Sebastian Graf JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg writes:
I don't think this will work and it not fair.
Those resources should be provided only to new-entrants not new-LIRs from exisiting members.
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 23/11/21 21:53, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Wolfgang Zenker" <address- policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de zenker@punkt.de> escribió:
Greetings,
in todays WG session Marco Schmidt pointed out that more than half of the /24s allocated from the waiting list pool go to members with multiple LIRs. The number of newly created LIRs eligible for a /24 has increased a lot in recent months, to the point where requests can no longer be filled from the available pool but new LIRs have to wait for blocks coming out of quarantine. This change appears to be due to market value for IPv4 blocks being now significantly larger than the cost for creating a new LIR and maintaining it for the two year holding period. The result of this is that newcomers have no easy access to a first IPv4 block but have to wait in line together with multi-LIR address hoarders, defeating the purpose of the waiting list policy.
I suggest to replace the waiting list with the following system: - /24s becoming available are put to an auction. - every interested member organisation (NOT: LIR) can make a bid of an amount that is not visible to the other bidders. - highest bid wins.
Expected result would be less requests from address hoarders because they could get address blocks for a similar price on the open market without the additional overhead of creating a new member. Newcomers on the other hand would have to become members to be able to hold addresses in the first place, and can use the auction to get access to a properly quarantined address block to start their business.
Regards, Wolfgang Zenker -- punkt.de GmbH Tel. +49 721 9109-500 Fax: -100 .infrastructure info@punkt.de https://infrastructure.punkt.de/ Kaiserallee 13a CEO: Jürgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian Stein D-76133 Karlsruhe AG Mannheim HRB 108285
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