On Thursday 19 July 2007 08:40, Randy Bush wrote:
As an example, NATO can also just as easily apply for space from ARIN
do you think nato wants a /48? they want a /32 and will then chop it up and pollute the routing table.
Yes I guess they would and I doubt that NATO would go that way (note I'm not speaking for NATO today but on personal title here). The LIR way is probably the way to go. But on the other hand, how many sub-networks does NATO have? (A question that I won't answer but I guess one can assume that no potential PI customer has more than 65536 subnets (etc) today.) On Thursday 19 July 2007 09:04, Sascha Lenz wrote:
yes, "we" should do that, please send some troops to repacify the enemy dorkheads, thank you
That approach is just what I question. Not to be cinical but the point I'm making is: If the RIPE region is against PI but PI is available from other sources without too much hassle. Do we expect that those that want it will not go for PI just because RIPE NCC does not offer it? Personally, if I'm internationally oriented, I'd go to ARIN or AfriNIC (depending where I have offices) and just get what I want. This makes that the RIPE community decides on PI less relevant. My point is, aren't we running the risk of being bypassed left and right just because we don't like it? If we do aren't we running the risk that being bypassed means that we can't influence it because other parts of the world already have decided for us. I'm not trying to defend PI because I like it (I think it is unavoidable but that's not why I write this). I'm trying to say that the world seems to be moving on while we are discussing. IPv6 is a global commodity that can be procured anywhere for this scale of user. So if we don't provide it people buy it from our neighbor and we still have the "enemy" on the net without the posibility to have a say in it. Best regards, Marc PS can we keep the discussion a bit professional and leave words like the "enemy dorkheads" out of this? -- Marc van Selm NATO C3 Agency CIS Division E-mail: marc.van.selm@nc3a.nato.int (PGP capable)