Hi, On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 02:43:16PM +0200, Daniel Stolpe wrote:
I guess this depends on what we want to happen. If we think it's about time to "act now" on IPv6 this is probably the right thing. As I wrote earlier, once we enter the "final /8 stage" any remaning and/or returned IPv4 space will be locked. That means it will be complete meningless to return any space to the RIPE NCC and we will surely see quite a bit of black market tradning instead.
Thanks for the clarification - yes, this could be one of the possible side effects. On the other hand, it is not completely unreasonable to assume that "returning to the RIPE NCC for free" is not going to happen as long as there is paying customers to receive the address space - and if there is no longer a market, there might not be that much demand from the RIPE NCC either... I don't know what the future brings regarding IPv4 - but I can only strongly urge everybody to accept the fact that the IPv4 supply at all RIRs is running out, and investigate alternatives.
So Daniel has got a point but as Gert pointed out it might be outside the scope of this proposal.
Well. The current "last /8" policy does not really take this situation into account, and so the RIPE NCC decided how to handle that situation *should* it happen (by not going back to the old policy). At the last meeting, there was no opposition against that interpretation of the policy, but it was felt that this should be written down, to make it very explicit - and this is what Remco is proposing. If we indeed want something else to happen, a new policy proposal should be brought forward to actually change the current text to make it only apply to "addresses specifically from the last /8" - but beware, this will cause more unhappiness, and more concerns about *unfairness*. Just assume that someone generous will return a /16, and there are 5 large DSL or cable ISPs that all can document a need for at least a /12 in the next 3 months... ... so who will get the /16? What about the 20 smaller ISPs that only want a /20 each? As soon as we're down to managing the scraps, *any* policy is likely to cause major feelings of unfairness... Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- did you enable IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279