Hi, On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 06:17:49PM +0200, Jérôme Nicolle wrote:
When your business is growing and your network is running off address space' vapors, you're looking out for any oportunity to recover unused adresses (really easy to do when you only got a mere /22 : usually none). Then turn to the "Transfer (Blackmarket) Listing Service" and get indecent (side) offers for newly assigned prefixes put up for rent.
I don't need numbers to see there's something wrong : a market for adress space must NOT exist. The listing service must be dismantled, and no one should be able to profit from wrongly privatised public domain, period.
Unused inetnums must return to pool, and LIR's able to justify their needs _periodicaly_ should be able to get some more juice off the available pool, if they're also contributing to getting us all out of this mess by actively promoting IPv6.
Or am I a bit too commie for this discussion ?
Bring up a workable proposal to ensure that this can be done, and we'll discuss it. Emphasis on *workable*, ensuring that people will not be able to just ignore the results and revert to lying to the NCC. So far, pragmatism led to the acceptance of a market *provided* people will update the registry information (so it is not a *black* market) - which is vastly better for the overall system than "look, I have this unused /16, do you want to rent it for $vastsums, but do not tell anybody!". As long as money can be made out of IPv4 space (read: people are going to pay for it), it will be made. If you all go to IPv6, IPv4 space will totally lose its value. Just sayin' Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279