Hi, On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 01:32:22AM +0200, Elvis Velea wrote:
Regarding the payment fees, we can not decide anything in this WG anyway, I'd like to ask everyone to either hold on to this discussion for the GM in Athens or open the discussion on the members-discuss@ripe.net mailing list.
Well. APWG can not *decide* on the charging scheme, but we can make reasonable proposals to the AGM - and if the addressing community agrees that something makes sense, the NCC board usually listens closely and works that into the next proposed charging scheme. We did that with 2007-01, and while it wasn't easy, it got done in the end. Now all sides have a bit more experience in listening to each other, so it might be easier this time :-) Anyway - what we need to be careful about is - do not make the price for "what used to be called PI holders" dramatically higher - technically, we might do this ("we vote, they pay"), but the signal this sends to the world is "we're a cartel and we've just decided that we all pay less and everyone else pays more", which is very likely to get us into deep shit with regulators, tax authorities, etc. - have the right incenctives here (e.g.: "a /32 costs 10000 EUR/year, a /48 costs 50 EUR/year" would send the message to ISPs "if you can number your network with a /48, you can save serious money!" and that will lead to "assigning customers a /64 or even less", which we don't want) So I think something like - every LIR pays a base fee ("one size fits all") which includes their initial /29.../32 ("as today") - every extra "small allocation" (smaller than /32) costs 50 EUR/year (+ 50 EUR/year per IPv4 PI) - every extra "big allocation" (/32 or shorter) costs 500 EUR/year would get us somewhere, without causing extra turmoil - for today's address holders, nothing much would change, and for future allocations, the financial incentives to go one way or other ("do not become LIR, get your /32 from a sponsoring LIR" and "run your whole ISP on a /48") are not significant enough to outweigh other reasons. Elvis, I think this is something which deserves it's own slide and 10 minutes of discussion at the APWG meeting :-) (and possibly other models for charging scheme and incentives), so we can then have input to the AGM for consideration... Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279