As variant: 1. I receive /22 2. I create 2 x inetnum with type ASSIGNED PA 3. I announced it for about 1 month 4. I sell it Such way I fully correspond to 5.* statements. 23.04.2015, 15:54, "Opteamax GmbH" <ripe@opteamax.de>:
On 23.04.2015 14:50, Vladimir Andreev wrote:
3.0 Goals of the Internet Registry System
can be treated by a lot of ways.
I (personally) doesn't find any prohibition in st. 3.0 to have many /22 per LIR.
Number 3 after the _link_ not 3.0 (#51 anchor)
Number 5.1 paragraph No.3
"The LIR must confirm it will make assignment(s) from the allocation."
so the LIR opened and requesting the /22 only for selling does not fullfill the policy. Without a real assignment , the /22 may never be sold, as the LIR first need to fullfill his confirmation
23.04.2015, 15:39, "Opteamax GmbH" <ripe@opteamax.de>:
On 23.04.2015 14:31, Vladimir Andreev wrote:
openig a bunch of LIR only for transfering their /22 V4 to another LIR is - and always was - abusing the policy. Any links to documents proving it? https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-643#51
Number 3
but for me the way you are proposing to run a "business" is almost the same as the one of a guy selling stolen stuff ... Such a comparison is incorrect. Maybe my comparison lacks do to difficulties translating into english: The guy selling the stuff does not (necessarily) know that the one he bought it from stole it. There are some of those shops, everybody know that they not ask where stuff comes from, but nobody can blame the shopowner ...
Jens
23.04.2015, 15:27, "Opteamax GmbH" <ripe@opteamax.de>:
Hello Gabriel,
openig a bunch of LIR only for transfering their /22 V4 to another LIR is - and always was - abusing the policy. So you acutally don't want to speak against the change of Transfer-Policy but want to keep the backdoor open.
So if you think the last /8 policy is not OK - where consensus was reached - you should stand up and make a change proposal for that.
Knowing the way to bypass policy still does not mean, that it is fair/legal. IMHO LIRs which are willingly abusing policies shall get their entire resources withdrawn immediately, as they are not willing to be part of the community, so shall not profit from community.
Sorry, but for me the way you are proposing to run a "business" is almost the same as the one of a guy selling stolen stuff ...
Regards Jens
On 23.04.2015 14:05, Infinity Telecom SRL wrote:
Hello Gert,
"at the transfer services" i saw sellers that want 17-20 USD per IP, this is crazy, do you want forward ?
Do you think this is a normal ?
If right now they ask soo much even when they know someone like me can open a new LIR an close after 1 year.
What will happen when someone like me will open a LIR and pay 2 yrs before to move the IPs to the old LIR
I tell you what will happen, the sellers will put another 5-7 USD per IP, for sure.
Most of the guys that are pro this proposal have large blocks for sell..
I dont have large blocks.. i want to keep my IPs and have more resource..
Thank you.
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