Dear Ciprian, 

These is are false accusations and I please ask you to stop attacking me personally. As I said, if you or someone else have questions about my activity at RIPE NCC, you should contact me personally or the RIPE NCC directly. 

I understand that my policy proposal can upset you and other people. My intention is not to propose a policy that will affect your business but to propose something that will benefit the entire community. 
I also understand that we are competitors in the IP Broker space but in this mailing list I am simply talking as a member of the RIPE community. I believe that defaming competition is not a good practice and this is definitely not the place. 

Again, I apologize if my policy proposal upsets you and other people and I can assure you that my intention is to propose something that will benefit all of us (the RIPE Community) in the long term. 

Thank you,
Elvis

PS: Gert, I know I promised yesterday I will no longer reply back to attacks, but I had to reply to this one and ask Ciprian (one more time) to stop. Can you also do something about it?

On 11/06/15 06:43, Callum Stuart wrote:
Hello, 


One people named WW circulated the following info privately to a large group of people  in ripe region. 

can you swear that there was no conflict of interests ?   compared with the FIFA  corruption and collapse, how about we involves the investigation by FBI or Gov authority? maybe only through this way, the truth can be disclosed to the PUBLIC. 



Elvis, who used to work in RIPE from Nov, 2007 to May 2013,  has conspired with his countryman  and allocated plenty of RIPE IPv4 blocks to their own registered shell companies without employees. 

Elvis established its brokerage company as soon as he resigned from RIPE and has sold  out  IPv4 blocks  that he had  reserved into his “own account”  ( one of the sale was to Saudi Telecommunication and the sale price is around 7US).    This is not just an ethics problem here and he is committing the CRIME! Ironically,  it will so easy to become rich almost in one night by doing what Elvis has done.   How can RIPE just turn a blind eye on his committed Crime ?



Elvis has taken the advantage of his role as the IPRA ( he knows better about what IP values and the policy loopholes  than the others  )  and purposely allocated plenty of IPv4 blocks to his own shell for the speculation. 


Congrats to Elvis, he has succeeded in becoming a millionaire by committing crime!  Shame on those who do nothing to stop the crime. 


Cobalt IT (Evolva) same position like Elvis.. at same company.. 



See the evidences including ( company registration info,  resources, linkedin profiles etc) in the attachment. 




 






 







 




 


 



 



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(Silvia Hagen)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:03:03 +0100
From: Nick Hilliard <nick@inex.ie>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, Sascha Luck <apwg@c4inet.net>
Cc: RIPE address policy WG <address-policy-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] RIPE != RIPE NCC
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On 10/06/2015 14:03, Randy Bush wrote:
what is missing here is that, if only LIRs decided policy, a few
thousand folk (likely 10 people on a mailing list), would decide policy
affecting millions internet users.

~980m.

Nick




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:16:19 +0300
From: Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis@velea.eu>
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks - please stop (i ask
for the 3rd time)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi Ciprian,

> so not that the policy is useless but it's proposal was a mistake.

Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from you and I already asked
you to stop being rude, before you started the thread below.

Even though I already responded to a message you have sent yesterday
telling you that it's not nice what you are doing, you have continued to
make false accusations and wrongfully interpret what others have said.
Curious though, all the wrong interpretations were just to start attacks
against me...

On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:
Hi,
[...]
Please provide evidence for following claim, otherwise you are just making
accusation without any support evidence.

"He approved your request for hudreds of thousands of IPs, even approved
this last-second allocation. "

And the reality is, Elvis has never on the position to make final decision
about our allocation.
You told us that. I can't know what happened during that allocations. I
only was refering to what you told us, that Elvis was the one that
approved your allocations. Maybe you know what happens behind the scene
but that should also bring some questions.
You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said and used your wrong
assumptions to start an attack against me. I was under the impression
that you are better than this but it seems you are not better than all
the others that have been attacking me over this policy proposal because
their 'business' was affected. I wonder what kind of business you have
if you publicly attack persons and companies relying on your own false
assumptions.


What Lu said was that during the evaluation of his requests, he was
unhappy that I was very strict. He, as well as other RIPE NCC Members
may have seen me as a very strict person when I was working at the RIPE
NCC. That was only because I always thrive to be very good at my job and
I have always verified (maybe too much) in depth all the documentation
received from LIRs. Just as you have received the /28 IPv6 allocation
(for your extremely large IPv6 deployment) some LIRs may have have
received large IPv4 allocations when these were justified.
If you are complaining that your request got reduced from /13 to a /14,
you should have complained at that time, you should have used all the
tools you had if you think at that time the IPRAs were wrong - including
the last option, request the arbiters to evaluate your request. You can
not come back 3-4 years later to say, I could have received more if you
would have been less strict (and assume that we have been less strict
others), especially because you have no idea how strict the NCC IPRAs
have been with Lu.

Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to this proposal, you were
at the RIPE Meetings where this issue was discussed - however, you
decided that the AP-WG is not worth of your effort and you did not voice
any opinion.
Instead, you waited until the last day to start an attack against me
(the proposer) and against some others that you feel 'received more IPs
from the RIPE NCC than you' before the run-out in 2012.

[...]
Again, you are making false statement without any evidence, in reality, I
have never done any business with Elvis now and past.
I don't know anything about any relation that might be between you and
Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving you the IPs (approving the
requests).

Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs. He actually said that
found me to be 'unfriendly' - while actually I was just strict, just as
with all the other requests I evaluated in the 6 years spent at the NCC.

and before that you said:

> It is very interesting to find out that the IPs were allocated to you
by the same person that has initiated this proposal.

only to then say:

> Yes, a few years ago he approved your allocations and now he is
helping you sell the IPs.
> Obviously he only dreams about world peace and there is no conflict
of interests here.

You know, and have been aware of this information for years, that one
single IPRA could not approve /16 or larger allocations. However, you
started to attack me implying that I have helped Lu receive the
allocations and that then I tried to help him sell them. Plus, you know
(and Andrea Cima also reminded you in case you had forgotten) that no
single IPRA could approve a /15 or larger allocation without a second
IPRA's evaluation and management and senior management approval.

I really do not know what happened to you, Ciprian. But I would advise
you to take a step or two back and look at all the things you have
wrongfully interpreted from others' mails. You can contact me directly
or Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if you have any questions about my activity
at the RIPE NCC and stop talking about conflict of interests or all kind
of conspiracy theories where there is none.

I await your apology for all the badmouthing over the past two days.
Again, this was totally unexpected from you.

Ciprian
/elvis



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:46:31 +0000
From: Silvia Hagen <silvia.hagen@sunny.ch>
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks - please stop (i ask
for the 3rd time)
Message-ID: <F1D4404E5E6C614EB9D3083F4D15A7E7C84FB0@hex02>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This thread is like a great piece of comedy, thanks for entertainment

Silvia

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Elvis Daniel Velea
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2015 16:16
Betreff: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks - please stop (i ask for the 3rd time)

Hi Ciprian,

> so not that the policy is useless but it's proposal was a mistake.

Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from you and I already asked you to stop being rude, before you started the thread below.

Even though I already responded to a message you have sent yesterday telling you that it's not nice what you are doing, you have continued to make false accusations and wrongfully interpret what others have said.
Curious though, all the wrong interpretations were just to start attacks against me...

On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:
Hi,
[...]
Please provide evidence for following claim, otherwise you are just
making accusation without any support evidence.

"He approved your request for hudreds of thousands of IPs, even
approved this last-second allocation. "

And the reality is, Elvis has never on the position to make final
decision about our allocation.
You told us that. I can't know what happened during that allocations.
I only was refering to what you told us, that Elvis was the one that
approved your allocations. Maybe you know what happens behind the
scene but that should also bring some questions.
You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said and used your wrong assumptions to start an attack against me. I was under the impression that you are better than this but it seems you are not better than all the others that have been attacking me over this policy proposal because their 'business' was affected. I wonder what kind of business you have if you publicly attack persons and companies relying on your own false assumptions.


What Lu said was that during the evaluation of his requests, he was unhappy that I was very strict. He, as well as other RIPE NCC Members may have seen me as a very strict person when I was working at the RIPE NCC. That was only because I always thrive to be very good at my job and I have always verified (maybe too much) in depth all the documentation received from LIRs. Just as you have received the /28 IPv6 allocation (for your extremely large IPv6 deployment) some LIRs may have have received large IPv4 allocations when these were justified.
If you are complaining that your request got reduced from /13 to a /14, you should have complained at that time, you should have used all the tools you had if you think at that time the IPRAs were wrong - including the last option, request the arbiters to evaluate your request. You can not come back 3-4 years later to say, I could have received more if you would have been less strict (and assume that we have been less strict others), especially because you have no idea how strict the NCC IPRAs have been with Lu.

Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to this proposal, you were at the RIPE Meetings where this issue was discussed - however, you decided that the AP-WG is not worth of your effort and you did not voice any opinion.
Instead, you waited until the last day to start an attack against me (the proposer) and against some others that you feel 'received more IPs from the RIPE NCC than you' before the run-out in 2012.

[...]
Again, you are making false statement without any evidence, in
reality, I have never done any business with Elvis now and past.
I don't know anything about any relation that might be between you and
Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving you the IPs (approving
the requests).

Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs. He actually said that found me to be 'unfriendly' - while actually I was just strict, just as with all the other requests I evaluated in the 6 years spent at the NCC.

and before that you said:

> It is very interesting to find out that the IPs were allocated to you by the same person that has initiated this proposal.

only to then say:

> Yes, a few years ago he approved your allocations and now he is helping you sell the IPs.
> Obviously he only dreams about world peace and there is no conflict of interests here.

You know, and have been aware of this information for years, that one single IPRA could not approve /16 or larger allocations. However, you started to attack me implying that I have helped Lu receive the allocations and that then I tried to help him sell them. Plus, you know (and Andrea Cima also reminded you in case you had forgotten) that no single IPRA could approve a /15 or larger allocation without a second IPRA's evaluation and management and senior management approval.

I really do not know what happened to you, Ciprian. But I would advise you to take a step or two back and look at all the things you have wrongfully interpreted from others' mails. You can contact me directly or Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if you have any questions about my activity at the RIPE NCC and stop talking about conflict of interests or all kind of conspiracy theories where there is none.

I await your apology for all the badmouthing over the past two days.
Again, this was totally unexpected from you.

Ciprian
/elvis


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:56:16 +0000
From: "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com>
To: Silvia Hagen <silvia.hagen@sunny.ch>
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks - please stop (i ask
for the 3rd time)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"



It would be great if the combatants can move the theatre of warfare operations to their personal mailboxes.

Best,

-M<



On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Silvia Hagen <silvia.hagen@sunny.ch> wrote:

This thread is like a great piece of comedy, thanks for entertainment

Silvia

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Elvis Daniel Velea
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2015 16:16
Betreff: Re: [address-policy-wg] Personal attacks - please stop (i ask for the 3rd time)

Hi Ciprian,

so not that the policy is useless but it's proposal was a mistake.

Calling my proposal a mistake is very rude from you and I already asked you to stop being rude, before you started the thread below.

Even though I already responded to a message you have sent yesterday telling you that it's not nice what you are doing, you have continued to make false accusations and wrongfully interpret what others have said.
Curious though, all the wrong interpretations were just to start attacks against me...

On 10/06/15 14:39, Ciprian Nica wrote:
Hi,
[...]
Please provide evidence for following claim, otherwise you are just
making accusation without any support evidence.

"He approved your request for hudreds of thousands of IPs, even
approved this last-second allocation. "

And the reality is, Elvis has never on the position to make final
decision about our allocation.
You told us that. I can't know what happened during that allocations.
I only was refering to what you told us, that Elvis was the one that
approved your allocations. Maybe you know what happens behind the
scene but that should also bring some questions.
You, intentionally, misunderstood what Lu said and used your wrong assumptions to start an attack against me. I was under the impression that you are better than this but it seems you are not better than all the others that have been attacking me over this policy proposal because their 'business' was affected. I wonder what kind of business you have if you publicly attack persons and companies relying on your own false assumptions.


What Lu said was that during the evaluation of his requests, he was unhappy that I was very strict. He, as well as other RIPE NCC Members may have seen me as a very strict person when I was working at the RIPE NCC. That was only because I always thrive to be very good at my job and I have always verified (maybe too much) in depth all the documentation received from LIRs. Just as you have received the /28 IPv6 allocation (for your extremely large IPv6 deployment) some LIRs may have have received large IPv4 allocations when these were justified.
If you are complaining that your request got reduced from /13 to a /14, you should have complained at that time, you should have used all the tools you had if you think at that time the IPRAs were wrong - including the last option, request the arbiters to evaluate your request. You can not come back 3-4 years later to say, I could have received more if you would have been less strict (and assume that we have been less strict others), especially because you have no idea how strict the NCC IPRAs have been with Lu.

Ciprian, if you really wanted to contribute to this proposal, you were at the RIPE Meetings where this issue was discussed - however, you decided that the AP-WG is not worth of your effort and you did not voice any opinion.
Instead, you waited until the last day to start an attack against me (the proposer) and against some others that you feel 'received more IPs from the RIPE NCC than you' before the run-out in 2012.

[...]
Again, you are making false statement without any evidence, in
reality, I have never done any business with Elvis now and past.
I don't know anything about any relation that might be between you and
Elvis. You pointed him out as the one giving you the IPs (approving
the requests).

Lu never pointed out that I 'gave' him the IPs. He actually said that found me to be 'unfriendly' - while actually I was just strict, just as with all the other requests I evaluated in the 6 years spent at the NCC.

and before that you said:

It is very interesting to find out that the IPs were allocated to you by the same person that has initiated this proposal.

only to then say:

Yes, a few years ago he approved your allocations and now he is helping you sell the IPs.
Obviously he only dreams about world peace and there is no conflict of interests here.

You know, and have been aware of this information for years, that one single IPRA could not approve /16 or larger allocations. However, you started to attack me implying that I have helped Lu receive the allocations and that then I tried to help him sell them. Plus, you know (and Andrea Cima also reminded you in case you had forgotten) that no single IPRA could approve a /15 or larger allocation without a second IPRA's evaluation and management and senior management approval.

I really do not know what happened to you, Ciprian. But I would advise you to take a step or two back and look at all the things you have wrongfully interpreted from others' mails. You can contact me directly or Andrea Cima (RS Manager) if you have any questions about my activity at the RIPE NCC and stop talking about conflict of interests or all kind of conspiracy theories where there is none.

I await your apology for all the badmouthing over the past two days.
Again, this was totally unexpected from you.

Ciprian
/elvis


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