* steve.r.wright@bt.com
Hi all, I support the goals of 2014-15, the suggestion below seems to be a practical solution, if acceptable to all parties.
Agreed. I would have ideally preferred to see language that was sufficiently generic to accommodate for any condition (i.e., not just limited to ARIN's "needs-based" requirement) imposed by another RIR region on the RIPE region entities engaging in inter-region transfers with that RIR region. However, I see that accomplishing this might be more trouble than it's worth, especially when taking into account that ARIN doesn't consider the attempt currently in 2014-05 adequate. So it would seem that a "KISS" approach would be better, explicitly putting in a "needs-based" requirement as mandated by ARIN. John, thank you for suggesting text, it's very helpful to have a starting point that we know that ARIN will consider compatible. I have some comments on your suggested text, though: * John Curran
"For transfers from RIR regions which require needs-based policies, recipients must provide a plan to the RIPE NCC for use of the transferred resource within 24 months." (for example)
1) «RIR regions which require needs-based policies» might be too broad. APNIC requires needs-based for intra-region transfers but not for inter-region transfers. As they already have (IMHO) misinterpreted the current "interop clauses" in 2014-05 to apply to them even though there is no need for that, we need to make it clearer that it only applies for regions which require *the RIPE region* to have needs-based policies. 2) Hard-coding 24 months is a risk. If for example the ARIN community changes their transfer policy to have different need period, then we would find ourselves with incompatible policies again. So I think that we should instead just refer to whatever need period the other RIR has. 3) I think it would be more flexible to not require the usage plan to be presented to the NCC, but that it could be presented to the other RIR instead. My reasoning is that the other RIR might already have the forms and criteria ready for performing need evaluation in a way that's (obviously) "compatible" with that RIR's own policies, while the NCC might not. Therefore it could potentially be easier for all involved parties if the other RIR performs the required need evaluation (if that RIR and the NCC agrees on such a transfer procedure, that is). It might also help prevent possibly complaints from the other region that the NCC doesn't perform stringent enough evaluation, and so on. Suggested new text that takes the above into account below. It would replace the second paragraph in section 2.0 of 2014-05. (Also, the last sentence of section 3.0 should be removed.) «For transfers from RIR regions which require the RIPE region to have needs-based policies, recipients must provide a plan to the RIPE NCC or the other RIR for the use of the transferred resource within the time period defined by the transfer policy of the other RIR». It would be good if you could confirm that this variant would also be regarded as "compatible" by ARIN, John. Tore (who feels somewhat guilty for this stuff being tricky in the first place...)