On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 13:02 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@inex.ie> wrote:
long term policy clarity for PI assignment in the RIPE service region.
Isn't it pretty clear now as it is? There will be no further PI assignments. PI is dead. Holders of PI have the option to: A) Keep holding, B) Return the address space (to become PA) C) Transfer it via a very complicated business procedure to another holder If they ever pick B, the address space returns to the non-available pool to be allocated again according to final-/8 procedures, to LIRs. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) Ie., the long-term status of PIv4 is pretty bleak at the moment.
Strong agreement on both from me.
I support this PDP precisely because it enables fair run-out without arbitrary limits or temporary stop-gaps.
The run-out you refer to is of the final-/8 pool, some specific space. But, assignments and allocations aren't permanent by design, and right now we're lacking in the PI transfer area. Any space returned to RIPE cannot become new PI. One result of the current policy is that there will be no more PI assignments. Obviously it's one way to remove the distinction between PA and PI I guess, by simply removing PI as a concept. :) Two fixes comes to mind: 1) 2012-04, required if we want to keep the idea of PI - otherwise we should explicitly decide on removing the distinction... 2) A transfer-policy covering C) above, i.e fix another RIPE<->Reality disconnect I'd like to see both of them. Best, Martin