Hi, On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 03:51:06PM +0100, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 03:36:19PM +0200, Gert Doering wrote:
Now, people do get resources with certain assumptions(!) of what they might want to do with them in the future, or what they *can* do with them in the future. Like, "I have this /25 PI space, I can route this on the Internet!". We do not make guarantees that people's assumptions hold
That is what scares me about this. If there is a policy passed that restricts all end-user assignments to max. /29 and it is implemented affecting existing assignments, I am (and all other LIRs in the region are) to disconnect and re-number all my customers?
But this is *not* "affecting existing assignments or allocations", as far as "holding this allocation and number your stuff with it" (which should be the primary usage for a block of IP addresses) goes. It is affecting *new* activities that a LIR might or might not start with their allocation in the future (namely: transfer it away). (And indeed, back in the day, we did change the rules what a LIR might do regarding assignments - from "do what you want" to "you have an assignment window, and anything larger than that needs NCC approval" - and then again, with a default AW of a /22. Worked out, as it was the same rules for everyone(!) - but as well, it only affected new activities not "what you have stays where it is", so no assignment or allocations became invalid due to it, and neither does this one) [..]
If changing policy to require a holding time breaks the assumption "I can transfer away this block right away" - well, I think this is fully intentional, no?
It breaks assumptions that were perfectly reasonable a year ago.
Actually while it was "according to the letter of the policy", I think it will be hard to find someone to actually say "it was according to the spirit of the last-/8 policy". So I'd challenge the "reasonable" in your statement.
Also, I'm pretty sure those who would abuse a loophole are following this debate and will have their transfers well sorted before the implementation date (if they have any sense). Implementing this policy for existing allocations will probably only affect a small number of LIRs who are acting in good faith.
Well, so you say "it will not stop the bad guys from doing their stuff in the next few months, so we should not do it at all, so they can keep up the business for the next years", am I understanding this correctly? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279