Hello Sander, In my opinion there should be NO relation between IPv4 and IPv6 policy. If someone doesn't want to use IPv6? No problem: they'll be unreachable in the future. With kind regards, Mark Scholten -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sander Steffann Sent: maandag 22 juni 2009 17:42 To: Address Policy Working Group Subject: [address-policy-wg] The final /8 policy proposals (2008-06 and 2009-04) Hello WG, As many of you know there are two policy proposals that describe how the final /8 from IANA should be used. These are policy proposals 2008-06 and 2009-04. There are a lot of differences between those two proposals, and it is not really possible to have them both at the same time. That means that this working group has to decide which way to go. Because there are so many differences I want to focus the discussion on a specific question at this point in time: "Do we (this working group) want to put IPv6 related requirements in the policy?" The current proposals have the following IPv6 related requirements: - Proposal 2009-04 requires the LIR to meet the requirements of the Preparation (1st request) or Transition (subsequent requests) phase of the transition plan specified in RFC 5211. - Proposal 2008-06 does not define any IPv6 requirements for an LIR. I can see the benefit (stimulate native IPv6 deployment) of such requirements, but I can also see downsides (for example organisations that need IPv4 space but can't implement IPv6 for some reason). Do organisations that don't implement IPv6 cause a problem for the community (and do we need policy to prevent that), or do they only cause problems for themselves (and should we only limit the amount of IPv4 space they can get)? When discussion possible requirements we must remember that the RIPE NCC IP Resource Analysts (formerly known as Hostmasters) should be able to check those requirements when evaluating a request. We should also look at possible loopholes. I don't think we want an LIR to give IPv6 access to a handful of customers just to be able to get another big block of IPv4 space. Once we have discussed this basic issue I'll steer the discussion back to the other differences between the proposals. Please keep the discussion on this topic for now. Thank you, Sander Steffann APWG co-chair