Hi Roger, On 10/1/13 9:43 AM, Roger Jørgensen wrote:
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Sascha Luck <lists-ripe@c4inet.net> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 05:22:52PM +0200, Elvis Velea wrote:
There are only two paths, from the RIPE NCC to LIR and from the RIPE NCC to End user (we may decide to change the name) via the Sponsoring LIR.
I would be in favour of converting all resources into "independent resources" and the path going, in all cases:
RIR -> Sponsoring LIR -> End User. [...] You're talking about a quite radical changes to how we think of IP space.
Correct, current proposal is quite a radical change. However, it does not change much the reality today. Companies do request /48 PI assignments saying that they will use it only for their infrastructure and then start giving bits of it to customers without actually registering the assignment/sub-allocation and basically violating the policy.
What you're hinting at are not that difficult from something we're discussing on IETF level, and in the concept of LISP. Get a new block of address space that will be distributed directly to end-users. It's just IP space.
LISP is a totally different story. Let's not mix them up, please :-)
It do include a tons of pitfalls and difficult consideration, alot.
On the other hand, what is the real difference from what you're suggestion and what current reality are? The LIR "concept"?
The LIR concept is a well defined concept. Based on the discussions on this list in the past few days I do realise that we need to define the previously known PI user and I see that the term 'End User' does not match with the role. cheers, elvis