Hi,

you will probably say - you represent a broker so you will not win anything if companies will get an additional /22 for free ( someone already said that in a previous message - using more or less these words) and therefore that is why you are against the proposal.
I will respond saying that Brokers do not really handle /22 transactions. The amount of work done by a Broker for a transfer takes a lot of time. The commission received from a /22 transfer is so tiny that it's not really worth it.

I'd also like to provide my input to a few statements below:

On 02/07/14 21:01, Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca wrote:

El 02/07/2014 19:25, Tomasz Śląski GMAIL escribió:
W dniu 2014-07-02 12:56, Erik Bais pisze:

If you require additional space, other options are :

- Transfer Market

Dangerous, you can easily fall victim to fraud, especially on legacy resources, and RIPE will do nothing to help you.
True
I would say that it is only dangerous if you have never done business before. You should never pay in advance for something that you have not yet received. Various types of Escrow agreements or Bank Guarantee Letters are used, usually, when an IPv4 allocation is transferred. These are processes that do not involve the RIPE NCC but which make the transfers happen. Brokers are happy to assist with these processes.

- setup a new LIR

It is not obvious. I have an official position from Johem de Ruig that the new LIR does not always get the allocation.
Very true
Any new LIR will receive a /22 allocation as long as they can justify the use of at least one IP address. The policy is very simple in this regard. Off course, if you just open a new LIR to trick the system, you may end up not having a justification for that /22 (or that one IP). On the other hand, what stops you from opening a new company in a group for every 1000 customers? ;)


- buy an existing LIR that is moving out of business.

Same as above. RIPE NCC simply just can not accept the transfer, and you're cooked hard.
And...also true too!

RIPE NCC can not refuse the merger between two companies. If proper documentation is provided and (again) they do not smell the attempt of fraud, they will process and merge two LIRs easily. It is when you try to fraud or trick the system that you are 'cooked hard'.


To conclude, my point of view is that we already have a process that works and that will provide the minimum amount of IP addresses to any start-up company for years to come. I do not have my crystal ball with me to see whether this will be for 1, 5, 10 or 20 years. I hope it will be for 20 years rather than 5.
I say, let's keep the policy as is. Changing it from /22 to /21 will bring the pool down to 0 sooner than we expect and that may have really bad consequences for any new start-up registered in the RIPE Region.

Kind regards,
elvis
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