18 Apr
2016
18 Apr
'16
5:22 p.m.
Hi Carten,
Il 17/04/2016 23:59, Carsten Schiefner ha scritto:
> Riccardo,
>
> On 15.04.2016 07:48, Riccardo Gori wrote:
>> with all respect I don't see a "remarkable success" in current last /8
>> policy.
>> We are dealing with the same amount of space as September 2012
> so it works as designed me thinks.
It depends on the point of view, we are discussing this exactly beacause
everyone of us can have his point.
RIR are supposed to act as a registry and distribute resources. How
resources are distributed depends on community.
This is exacly why RIR have to accept comments in PDP from non members
and from everyone else in the world.
What if just a mass of people come here and propose to adopt ARIN
similar policy?
Policy Development Process is: I would/think; You would/think; He
would/think
and finally: We do...shouldn't be like that?
Resources are global you can't say ARIN was wrong because depleted
faster entered and we are successfull just because we still have space.
About IPv6 adoption sorry but the fact is that we are later than ARIN.
Don't misunderstant please I am not in favor of depletion.
>
>> that in the meanwhile has been abused in several ways
> Please define "abuse in several ways". You are also encouraged to
> suggest potential remedies per item.
Several ways include repeated and reiterated procedures like these:
- cases of LIRs requested and obtained (before 09/2012 and last /8
policy) resources with fake network plans (now you don't need any
network plan)
- in the past (I mean before 09/2012 and last /8 policy) some
organizations running multiple LIR used it to obtaion space as big as
/16 on the same day in two different LIRs
- in Last /8 multiple LIRs used to obtain resources and sell resources
to the market preocess reiterated and (stopped by 2015-01)
- open and closing LIR to stockpile resources (stopped by 2015-01)
Please note that new allocation rate of /22 from 185/8 reamins unchanged
due to new LIR signin up at the same rate or faster.
Our policy is suppose to reduce new LIR sign up rate allowing current
new entrants to not incentive their customers to sign up as a new LIR
and waste a /22 and offer them just the space they need.
>> and there are really no incentives to IPv6 adoption.
> How about: making your Internet outfit future-poof? Sounds pretty
> convincing to me.
Carten, as proposers, we didn't pretend to have "the solution".
The proposal contains something we believe in and here we tried to push
some incentive to adopt IPv6 for smaller LIRs as you can understand from
the text.
Please read carefully the BOARD consideratios in 2014-04 that removed
the only IPv6 requisite on current policy
https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2014-04
Now you can get your IPv6 t-shirt as noticed by Radu.
About future proof internet: it's easy to say that nothing is future
proof but human mind is awsome and when we get in trouble in most cases
we were able to find a way out.
If it were up to me I would approve NAT in IPv6 and I would use those
famouse unusable 16 /8 (for future use 240/8 - 255/8) but this is out of
topic here, thank you for asking my point anyway.
kind regards
Riccardo
>
> Best,
>
> -C.
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