On 8/6/13 10:20 , Hans Petter Holen wrote:
On Sunday, August 4, 2013, David Farmer wrote:
On 8/4/13 09:48 , Tore Anderson wrote:
* David Farmer
I believe the primary definition of fairness the RIR communities have been using is, "only those that have *verified operational need* get Internet number resources".
Do you have a link or reference? (Tried Google, no hits.)
Try goal #1 in section #1 of RFC 2050. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/__rfc2050#section-1 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2050#section-1>
since this is going to be replaced we should probably make sure we are in line with:
And in slightly different words, try goal #1 in section #2 of RFC 2050-bis. See http://tools.ietf.org/html/__draft-housley-rfc2050bis-02#__section-2 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-housley-rfc2050bis-02#section-2>
another question is if rfc2050 is "binding" and "limiting" for the RIRs and if draft-housley is going to be it may have go go trough some RIR processes too?
I never said RFC 2050 is binding on the RIR's. I've been saying it articulates fairness and why operational need is important. RIPE and any other RIRs can and have ignored many parts of it, and are fee to continue to do so. However, RFC 2050 and the upcoming 2050-bis are the only common statement of goals or principles other than ICP-2 that there is for the Internet Registry System and the RIRs as a whole. If we ignore those goals and principles, without careful consideration, bad things are likely to happen. If you are suggesting it would be a good thing for there to be a common set of goals and/or principles for all the RIRs that have gone through the RIR's policy processes or maybe the global policy process, that may not be a bad idea. Note: Within the ARIN Region there is such a discussion going one see ARIN-2013-4, right now the scope is intended to be within the ARIN region only. https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2013_4.html I believe that operational need is one of the few useful concept of fairness we have from a Internet number resources policy perspective. Impartiality and community consensus supporting policy being the only others I can think of as useful concepts of fairness. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================