Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com wrote: <SNIP>
Non-attributed person wrote:
There may however be places where such cooperation is appropriate, in which case RIR-policies should accomodate such a construct. ISP's who want such cooperation should probably establish an independent organisation that would act as the LIR for their region. There's nothing (exept possibly the 200 customer limit) in the current RIR-policy that prevents such a construct.
As has been repeatedly pointed out by others, the 200 customer limit is a REAL block to deployment of IPv6 by many companies.
Which companies? According to the stats* Leo gave only 6 requests where ever denied based on this. Can these companies please come forward and explain what they exactly want? * = http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-ap-ipv6number...
Until IPv6 allocation policies are made reasonable without silly artificial constraints with no reasoning behind them, then it is a little early to discuss regional cooperative LIRs.
"Regional cooperative LIRs" can already be made now, with current policy.
One data point that we already have is exchange points. How many exchange points in Europe have been successful in receiving a /20 allocation from RIPE?
Why would an exchange point need a /20? (IPv4 or IPv6?). Most IX's, not any I know of, don't have a need for so much address space and certainly, to stay neutral will not be able to provide address space to customers. If IX's did do that they would be a LIR-ISP again and there goes the I from PI.
How many in other regions? I suspect that the answer is zero because RIR policies discourage the allocation of IP addresses to such confederations.
Dig a bit and find live data: http://www.ripe.net/rs/ipv6/stats/ Also check: http://www.ripe.net/info/resource-admin/rir-comp-matrix-rev.html Greets, Jeroen BTW: GRH doesn't cover IX assignments (yet), does it need to maybe?