Enough,

i have no more choice than to unsubscribe, thanks to all participants, goodbye, the other option would be to generate a spam filter.

From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Lu Heng
Sent: 11. kesäkuuta 2015 15:16
To: Petr Umelov
Cc: address-policy-wg@ripe.net; chair@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Complaint and future of the APWG.

A Chair is a position, the human sit on it should keep this integrity and hide his personal preference while making calls.

Just like if you become a Judge, you are expected to judge things based on fact and reality, not on accusations without ground and personal emotions, you can not say I am going to sentence that guy for 10 years just because I don't like what he is doing. And while you are making mistaken judgement, people have rights to complaint to higher level to make things right.

Same here, I feel some of the Chair's judgement was not fair, and I am making complaint about it, I feel in this free speech world, I have all my rights to do so.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Petr Umelov <petr@fast-telecom.net> wrote:

A chair is not a human, it is a thing :):):)

11.06.2015, 14:54, "Lu Heng" <h.lu@anytimechinese.com>:

> Hi
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org> wrote:
>> * Lu Heng <h.lu@anytimechinese.com> [2015-06-11 13:03]:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I agree with you no more personal attack should happening any more.
>>>
>>> *And to be very clear, I am not attacking Gert personally.*
>>
>> Yes you do. You're questioning his integrity.
>
> No, I am not questioning his integrity, I am questioning Chair of APWG's integrity, his integrity has nothing to do in this case, Chair of the APWG is not a person, it is a position in the community to moderate and manage the list. While I complaint about Chair of the APWG, why it has to become personal to Gert?
>
>>> *I am complaint about one of working group chair does not keep the level of
>>> integrity as it should.*
>>
>> Gert is one of the few people I know that I trust completely regarding
>> integrity. He proved me right again by letting Sander conclude this
>> proposal so that neutrality is given.
>
> I was not talking about his neutrality of this proposal. I was talking about my personal information and company info getting posted in the list while the Chair conclude it has relevance to the policy discussion.
>
>>> It is fundamental difference, in personal level, I do like to be friend
>>> with Gert and he of course feel free to like or dislike me. However as APWG
>>> chair, I believe Chair should remain neutral on all ground but not judging
>>> things based on personal preference as well as personal emotions.
>>
>> Noone can remain neutral on all grounds all the time. That is why he
>> is not "judging" anything in this case. Sander is.
>
> No one can, personally, but while you are in a position, then you should. the person of you does not matter any more, rules apply to that position.
>
>>> Let's not dive to far from what should be happening here, policy discussion.
>>
>> Back at you.
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
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