Dear Leo, Listed below is the number of LIRs closed due to non-payment since 2005: Year 2005 total: 210 Year 2006 total: 195 Year 2007 total (to date): 122 The top three countries in terms of LIRs closed due to non-payment are: 2005: UK: 32, RU: 29, DE: 18 2006: UK: 48, RU: 33, DE: 11 2007 (to date): RU: 28, UK: 21, NL: 7 Note that as of 31 March 2007, RU (701), UK (571) and DE (537) are the top three countries in our region in terms of total number of members. Total membership as of 31 March 2007 is 4847. Regards, Flor de Maria Paredes Mattos RS Manager RIPE NCC Leo Vegoda wrote:
On Apr 20, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Max Tulyev wrote:
Leo Vegoda wrote:
This will have LIRs to maintain agreements with end-users and have end-users to return unused PI/ASN to RIPE. In this case, all contracts and money transfers will be domestic for PI/ASN holders.
... your suggestion does not resolve the issue of maintaining a link between the NCC and the resource holder when the LIR is closed for non-payment. I'm not sure how many LIRs that have requested PI or ASN assignments for customers have been closed for non-payment. If the number is significant then a another solution is needed while still addressing the legitimate issue you've raised about issues with international contracts.
This solution can be the possibility to move PI from one LIR to another in this case.
Which LIR? The LIR stopped paying bills and doesn't have staff any more. There is no-one to confirm the orderly transfer of responsibility for the resources. The string connecting the resource holders to the RIPE NCC snapped. The point at which a new LIR pops up and claims responsibility for the resources is the ideal moment to hijack them.
I am not sure how serious a problem this is as I do not know the rate of churn for LIRs in countries for which you have expressed concerns. It could be that it is a very small risk affecting a tiny number of registrations per year. On the other hand, it could be a more significant problem.
If the RIPE NCC could provide statistics for LIR churn, particularly LIRs that have requested PI assignments or ASNs for customers, that would be very helpful.
Regards,
--Leo Vegoda IANA Numbers Liaison