however, if it touches returned all address space kind (PI/PA) and we don't really know what is going to happen - maybe it is reasonable to postopne the policy start point to let's say - 50 or 60% of last /8 usage ?
what "problem" should postponing solve? I support the proposal like it is.
i.e. if some company still need /24 PI for their purposes (non ISP company), after 2011-03 start, there will be no way to get PI any more (except from black market).
Noting first that this eventuality will also occur if 2011-03 is not adopted. I think that this idea is in effect a no-op, because even if implementation of 2011-03 is postponed, any returned address space will still not be reallocated using old policies. I guess the intent of the suggestion though is to expand the scope of 2011-03 from one of clarification to one of reopening old allocation policies. Quite apart from the author's stated reluctance to expand the scope in any way, this would lead to a state, of unknown duration, where old allocation policies are attempted to be fulfilled with a run rate that is vastly smaller than demand, in parallel with the rationing procedures that are already set. This is a situation that is explicitly avoided both by the current wording of RIPE-509 and by the proposed changes of 2011-03. It is not a small change. What we have with RIPE-509, and what 2011-03 does not damage imo, is a plan to deal with runout in as clear and fair a manner as we can muster at this point. There is a moment at which the rules change for everyone; there is no question of some subsequently getting served with policies that cannot possibly be applied to all. We all feel the temptation to try to squeeze a little more out of the old way, to try to redistribute what scraps we can find in some manner that will stave off the consequences of runout for a few more people for a little longer. But we've already optimised pretty much all the slack we can out of this; any further changes must undermine clarity and fairness. We should resist the temptation to try to optimise to an infinitesimal degree for the sake of a few scraps. And, frankly, we should take every opportunity remaining to expand the meagre pool of IPv4 addresses we leave to our children. I support 2011-03 with the wording proposed by its author. Best regards, Dave -- Dave Wilson, Senior Network Engineer HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +353-1-660 9040 fax: +353-1-660 3666 web: http://www.heanet.ie/ H323 GDS:0035301101738 PGP: 1024D/C757ADA9