Ian,

This policy isn't going to change the ability of a large organisation to grown since the amount of space we're talking about is relatively small, and totally trivial to an LIR with (the equivalent of) nearly 700 /22s.

I don't think the policy fails the test of "fairness" simply because larger LIRs won't be getting addresses as the "benefit" of an additional /22 would be marginal for them anyway.

I would hope that large LIRs don't make objections to this proposal just because they don't see any benefit to them - that come come across as selfish.

If we limit the allocation of remaining space to brand new LIRs only, it means that small ISPs in their first growth spurt might be driven to form a second LIR to get that second /22 of space..

I know companies who've done this.  It isn't sensible.  The proposal makes it possible to achieve the sensible result without resorting to stupid behaviour.

Aled 


On 14 April 2016 at 16:08, Dickinson, Ian <Ian.Dickinson@sky.uk> wrote:
"Small" providers want to grow.
"Large" providers want to grow too.
"Medium" providers presumably want to grow as well.
(for some value of "grow")

In all cases, this means IPv6, not IPv4.

I prefer the current policy that is in place.

Ian

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And why is that Ian ?

Dominik

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I object to this proposal as written.

I do not believe there should be any distinction in policy based on a notional arbitrary "size" of LIR.

Ian

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From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Marco Schmidt
Sent: 14 April 2016 13:42
To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net
Subject: [address-policy-wg] 2015-05 Discussion Period extended until 13 May 2016 (Last /8 Allocation Criteria Revision)

Dear colleagues,

The Discussion Period for the policy proposal 2015-05, "Last /8 Allocation Criteria Revision" has been extended until 13 May 2016.

The goal of this proposal is to allow LIRs to request an additional /22
IPv4 allocation from the RIPE NCC every 18 months.

The text of the proposal has been revised based on mailing list feedback and we have published a new version (2.0) today. As a result, a new Discussion Phase has started for the proposal.

Some of the differences from version 1.0 include:
- Additional /22 IPv4 allocations can be only provided from address space outside 185/8
- Only LIRs with less than a /20 in total are eligible to receive additional allocations
- LIRs must document their IPv6 deployment as part of the request

You can find the full proposal at:

https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-05

We encourage you to review this policy proposal and send your comments to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net>.

Regards,

Marco Schmidt
Policy Development Officer
RIPE NCC

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