Hi, "This policy proposal will not prevent organisations from setting up one or more LIRs and hoarding the /22s. It will only add a two-year restriction before a /22 from the last /8 can be transferred." Regards, Arash Naderpour -----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:51 AM To: Arash Naderpour Cc: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-01 Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published Hi, On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 01:14:00AM +0430, Arash Naderpour wrote:

-1 to this proposal.

Why? Disagreeing without giving a reason makes it impossible to address your concerns - and since we're not voting but building consensus, this is not overly helpful. Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279

I think Arash is speaking about possibility to receive multiple /22's and use it for own purposes. 09.06.2015, 10:19, "Erik Bais" <erik@bais.name>:

Hi Arash,

...

 "This policy proposal will not prevent organisations from setting up one or  more LIRs and hoarding the /22s. It will only add a two-year restriction  before a /22 from the last /8 can be transferred."

The 24 month period will increase the cost of the 'hoarding' ... which makes it a lot less attractive to do it.. This policy change will make it a lot more expensive for the current 'abusers of the intent of the policy' to see this as a viable business model..

Regards, Erik Bais

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Hi Gert, You say it will not solve all other potential problems that exist or might exist and I agree with you here, but to me it cannot also solve the existing and known problem too. "making less attractive" is not also a good argument to support it, Regards, Arash Naderpour -----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 1:09 PM To: Arash Naderpour Cc: 'Gert Doering'; address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-01 Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published Hi, On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 07:21:49AM +0430, Arash Naderpour wrote:

"This policy proposal will not prevent organisations from setting up one or more LIRs and hoarding the /22s. It will only add a two-year restriction before a /22 from the last /8 can be transferred."

It does what it intends to do, and that is, make fast-trading (open LIR, get /22, sell of, close LIR) less attractive. It will not solve all other potential problems that exist or might exist, so "it does not go far enough" is not a good argument to oppose what might achieved in this first step - of course, a second step can always follow. Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279