AfriNIC Transition: IPv4 allocation Policy change
IPv4 Allocation Policy for the African Portion of the RIPE NCC service Region: The motivation behind this is that today there are three different policies applied to African LIRs: (ARIN, RIPE NCC, APNIC). To ease the transition to AfriNIC (the registry for Africa) policies need to be harmonized. The ARIN Community has already taken a step by creating a particular policy for its African members. It will be a good step if the RIPE community can do the same for its African Members by making the minimum allocation the same. The proposed policy change below is for those operating in Africa. It is intended as an interim, transitional policy during the period before AfriNIC takes on the RIR function for the African continent. From that time the policies agreed at the AfriNIC-I meeting will be used in Africa. Also we should keep in mind that this will only affect the IP block 196.200/13 used by RIPE NCC to allocate address in Africa. BGP filters then need to be adapted to permit longer prefix (/22) only in this block. Proposed change: * Minimum allocation: The minimum allocation for African members of RIPE NCC should be changed from /21 to /22. _______________________________________________________________________ Adiel A. AKPLOGAN Off. +31 (0)20 535 4444 RIPE NCC - AfriNIC project Manager Fax: +31 (0)20 535 4445 Singel 258 - 1016AB Amsterdam - NL www.ripe.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/2004
Hi, On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 12:12:35PM +0100, Adiel A. AKPLOGAN wrote:
Proposed change:
* Minimum allocation: The minimum allocation for African members of RIPE NCC should be changed from /21 to /22.
Hmmm, what's the rationale behind being *so* conservative in doing allocations? A /21 is already pretty small. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 58081 (57882) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
Gertp and all, Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 12:12:35PM +0100, Adiel A. AKPLOGAN wrote:
Proposed change:
* Minimum allocation: The minimum allocation for African members of RIPE NCC should be changed from /21 to /22.
Hmmm, what's the rationale behind being *so* conservative in doing allocations? A /21 is already pretty small.
I agree personally. A /21 if far too small for a minimum. However I believe it is motivated by the inadequacies of CIDR, which needs fixing, and some SIG's that are not obvious in their motivations...
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 58081 (57882)
SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-299
Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
Adiel and all, Have you put your proposal before the stakeholders/users in your region? If so is their a measured consensus. I know that until now, none of our members in your region have heard of your proposal. Thank you for providing in here and now though. I am sure our members will review it and determine if it is acceptable or offer an alternative.. Adiel A. AKPLOGAN wrote:
IPv4 Allocation Policy for the African Portion of the RIPE NCC service Region:
The motivation behind this is that today there are three different policies applied to African LIRs: (ARIN, RIPE NCC, APNIC). To ease the transition to AfriNIC (the registry for Africa) policies need to be harmonized. The ARIN Community has already taken a step by creating a particular policy for its African members. It will be a good step if the RIPE community can do the same for its African Members by making the minimum allocation the same.
The proposed policy change below is for those operating in Africa. It is intended as an interim, transitional policy during the period before AfriNIC takes on the RIR function for the African continent. From that time the policies agreed at the AfriNIC-I meeting will be used in Africa.
Also we should keep in mind that this will only affect the IP block 196.200/13 used by RIPE NCC to allocate address in Africa. BGP filters then need to be adapted to permit longer prefix (/22) only in this block.
Proposed change:
* Minimum allocation: The minimum allocation for African members of RIPE NCC should be changed from /21 to /22.
_______________________________________________________________________ Adiel A. AKPLOGAN Off. +31 (0)20 535 4444 RIPE NCC - AfriNIC project Manager Fax: +31 (0)20 535 4445 Singel 258 - 1016AB Amsterdam - NL www.ripe.net
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Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
Hello Jeff,
Have you put your proposal before the stakeholders/users in your region? If so is their a measured consensus.
Yes we had many informal discussion with ISPs in our region about it and most of them seems that as a good thin to do to make the allocation coherent with the size of the region ISPs. But let me also point out here that the main idea behind this proposal is the harmonization of the applied policies in our region. This will ease the transition process. Changing IPv4 minimum allocation size for African members in RIPE NCC will make the size uniform with what is done in ARIN region for example.
I know that until now, none of our members in your region have heard of your proposal. Thank you for providing in here and now though.I am sure our members will review it and determine if it is acceptable or offer an alternative..
ok - a.
IPv4 Allocation Policy for the African Portion of the RIPE NCC service Region:
The motivation behind this is that today there are three different policies applied to African LIRs: (ARIN, RIPE NCC, APNIC). To ease the transition to AfriNIC (the registry for Africa) policies need to be harmonized. The ARIN Community has already taken a step by creating a particular policy for its African members. It will be a good step if the RIPE community can do the same for its African Members by making the minimum allocation the same.
The proposed policy change below is for those operating in Africa. It is intended as an interim, transitional policy during the period before AfriNIC takes on the RIR function for the African continent. From that time the policies agreed at the AfriNIC-I meeting will be used in Africa.
Also we should keep in mind that this will only affect the IP block 196.200/13 used by RIPE NCC to allocate address in Africa. BGP filters then need to be adapted to permit longer prefix (/22) only in this block.
Proposed change:
* Minimum allocation: The minimum allocation for African members of RIPE NCC should be changed from /21 to /22.
_______________________________________________________________________ Adiel A. AKPLOGAN Off. +31 (0)20 535 4444 RIPE NCC - AfriNIC project Manager Fax: +31 (0)20 535 4445 Singel 258 - 1016AB Amsterdam - NL www.ripe.net
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Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
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_______________________________________________________________________ Adiel A. AKPLOGAN Off. +31 (0)20 535 4444 RIPE NCC - AfriNIC project Manager Fax: +31 (0)20 535 4445 Singel 258 - 1016AB Amsterdam - NL www.ripe.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/2004
Adiel and all, Adiel AKPLOGAN wrote:
Hello Jeff,
Have you put your proposal before the stakeholders/users in your region? If so is their a measured consensus.
Yes we had many informal discussion with ISPs in our region about it and most of them seems that as a good thin to do to make the allocation coherent with the size of the region ISPs.
Ok and were are the numbers of the ISPs and/or the documented evidence to quantify this? When was this done?
But let me also point out here that the main idea behind this proposal is the harmonization of the applied policies in our region. This will ease the transition process. Changing IPv4 minimum allocation size for African members in RIPE NCC will make the size uniform with what is done in ARIN region for example.
Well, ARIN has yet to justify their stated Executive created policy...
I know that until now, none of our members in your region have heard of your proposal. Thank you for providing in here and now though.I am sure our members will review it and determine if it is acceptable or offer an alternative..
ok
- a.
IPv4 Allocation Policy for the African Portion of the RIPE NCC service Region:
The motivation behind this is that today there are three different policies applied to African LIRs: (ARIN, RIPE NCC, APNIC). To ease the transition to AfriNIC (the registry for Africa) policies need to be harmonized. The ARIN Community has already taken a step by creating a particular policy for its African members. It will be a good step if the RIPE community can do the same for its African Members by making the minimum allocation the same.
The proposed policy change below is for those operating in Africa. It is intended as an interim, transitional policy during the period before AfriNIC takes on the RIR function for the African continent. From that time the policies agreed at the AfriNIC-I meeting will be used in Africa.
Also we should keep in mind that this will only affect the IP block 196.200/13 used by RIPE NCC to allocate address in Africa. BGP filters then need to be adapted to permit longer prefix (/22) only in this block.
Proposed change:
* Minimum allocation: The minimum allocation for African members of RIPE NCC should be changed from /21 to /22.
_______________________________________________________________________ Adiel A. AKPLOGAN Off. +31 (0)20 535 4444 RIPE NCC - AfriNIC project Manager Fax: +31 (0)20 535 4445 Singel 258 - 1016AB Amsterdam - NL www.ripe.net
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Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
--- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/2004
_______________________________________________________________________ Adiel A. AKPLOGAN Off. +31 (0)20 535 4444 RIPE NCC - AfriNIC project Manager Fax: +31 (0)20 535 4445 Singel 258 - 1016AB Amsterdam - NL www.ripe.net
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Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!) "Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" - Pierre Abelard "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801
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Adiel A. AKPLOGAN -
Adiel AKPLOGAN -
Gert Doering -
Jeff Williams