Crimea papers - Clarifying the RIPE NCC Legal Position
Dear all, The RIPE NCC has the right to be contractually engaged with and to provide services to any legal entity, unless there are restrictions by law. Currently, Dutch law does not restrict our contractual engagement with, or provision of our services to, legal entities in Crimea. Dutch law does not restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by national authorities are considered to be sufficient proof. The RIPE NCC can neither recognise nor deny one state’s authority over a region. Given the situation in Crimea, the RIPE NCC is striving to facilitate the provision of its services to network operators in this area and does not wish to deny services for political reasons. Kind regards, Athina Fragkouli Legal Counsel RIPE NCC
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:02:04PM +0200, Athina Fragkouli <athina.fragkouli@ripe.net> wrote a message of 21 lines which said:
Documents issued by national authorities are considered to be sufficient proof.
You did not reply to one of the questions raised in the thread: can a future member present papers from a national authority of another country? I start a LIR in France, can I present papers from the german authorities (should Germany issue them)?
How would you get these "papers" from the German authorities if you started the LIR in France? If you are a multinational corp., wouldn't your local holdings in France have some kind of FR legal identity associated with them? While steering clear of the Crimea issue, the question of legal identity is relevant to several number policy issues; e.g., in ARIN region we are currently considering this: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_1.html -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:31 AM To: Athina Fragkouli Cc: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net; address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Crimea papers - Clarifying the RIPE NCC Legal Position On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:02:04PM +0200, Athina Fragkouli <athina.fragkouli@ripe.net> wrote a message of 21 lines which said:
Documents issued by national authorities are considered to be sufficient proof.
You did not reply to one of the questions raised in the thread: can a future member present papers from a national authority of another country? I start a LIR in France, can I present papers from the german authorities (should Germany issue them)?
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:35:43PM +0000, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote a message of 30 lines which said:
How would you get these "papers" from the German authorities if you started the LIR in France?
It was of course an hypothetical case. The real issue, in that thread, was papers from Russian authorities when starting a LIR in Ukraine but I hoped to have better responses by shifting to a less loaded case.
Very good point. Thanks for the explanation Athina! Tuesday, July 29, 2014, 12:02:04 PM, you wrote: AF> The RIPE NCC can neither recognise nor deny one state’s authority over a AF> region. Given the situation in Crimea, the RIPE NCC is striving to AF> facilitate the provision of its services to network operators in this AF> area and does not wish to deny services for political reasons. -- Sergey
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Athina Fragkouli -
Milton L Mueller -
Sergey Myasoedov -
Stephane Bortzmeyer