Preliminary policy proposal: Exceptional /20 IPv4 allocations from the last /8
Dear all, Several existing and potential LIRs have complained about the fact that a /22 may not be enough for starting an Internet service. While there is a general agreement that this allocation size should not be changed during the last /8 policy, it may be useful to make some exceptions in some properly justified cases. There is also a general agreement that people should take care of their health, they should eat healthy food and do sufficient physical exercise, possibly by going regularly to the gym. I have thought of a possibility to allocate up to a /20 from the last /8 pool to the companies that can prove that they encourage and help their employees to take care of their help, and that the employees themselves do take advantage of these possibilities. I already have a couple of initial suggestions for consideration, like the average number of hours of workout per employee per week, the average Body Mass Index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index) per employee, and a couple of similar good ways of measuring the health status at the company. I also though that computing a simple average may disadvantage larger companies, therefore some formula taking into account the size of the different departments and the values measured there could be worked out, similar to the HD ratio used in determining the address utilisation (https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-699#hd_ratio). This could make the proposal more fair to large enterprises. There is, however, quite some work to be done to make these ideas properly implementable. I think we should set up a small task force to determine the criteria such LIRs should meet. The time is pressing, we have to act quickly in order to be able to discuss the proposal in Marseilles. Anyone who volunteers for the Task Force should contact me ASAP. We can then come up with a formal proposal and present it to the working group, by following the formal steps of the PDP. I am looking forward to being contacted by the volunteers. Best regards, Janos PS: I am sure some people, when they hear about a new policy proposal for IPv4, they will come up with the usual argument that this is like arranging the deck chairs again. I have to mention, however, that the latest scientific research proved that the sinking of the Titanic could have been delayed by several hours if the deck chairs were properly arranged in due time. Therefore, this proposal may also contribute to a better Internet on the long run. PS2: To those who had the patience to read this e-mail I wish a Happy 1 April!
Janos, this policy proposal needs very careful consideration. However I think detailed discussion should wait until there’s wider adoption of RFC1437.
In advance I would say I’m inclined by default to disagree with this proposal With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969<tel:08750969>. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. On 1 Apr 2018, at 17:53, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com<mailto:jim@rfc1035.com>> wrote: Janos, this policy proposal needs very careful consideration. However I think detailed discussion should wait until there’s wider adoption of RFC1437.
Hi Janos, I will be in favor of this policy proposal if it means that those LIRs are going to contribute to gym cost for end-users (non-LIRs). Have you thought about that? Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> en nombre de Janos Zsako <zsako@iszt.hu> Fecha: domingo, 1 de abril de 2018, 18:46 Para: "address-policy-wg@ripe.net Working Group" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Asunto: [address-policy-wg] Preliminary policy proposal: Exceptional /20 IPv4 allocations from the last /8 Dear all, Several existing and potential LIRs have complained about the fact that a /22 may not be enough for starting an Internet service. While there is a general agreement that this allocation size should not be changed during the last /8 policy, it may be useful to make some exceptions in some properly justified cases. There is also a general agreement that people should take care of their health, they should eat healthy food and do sufficient physical exercise, possibly by going regularly to the gym. I have thought of a possibility to allocate up to a /20 from the last /8 pool to the companies that can prove that they encourage and help their employees to take care of their help, and that the employees themselves do take advantage of these possibilities. I already have a couple of initial suggestions for consideration, like the average number of hours of workout per employee per week, the average Body Mass Index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index) per employee, and a couple of similar good ways of measuring the health status at the company. I also though that computing a simple average may disadvantage larger companies, therefore some formula taking into account the size of the different departments and the values measured there could be worked out, similar to the HD ratio used in determining the address utilisation (https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-699#hd_ratio). This could make the proposal more fair to large enterprises. There is, however, quite some work to be done to make these ideas properly implementable. I think we should set up a small task force to determine the criteria such LIRs should meet. The time is pressing, we have to act quickly in order to be able to discuss the proposal in Marseilles. Anyone who volunteers for the Task Force should contact me ASAP. We can then come up with a formal proposal and present it to the working group, by following the formal steps of the PDP. I am looking forward to being contacted by the volunteers. Best regards, Janos PS: I am sure some people, when they hear about a new policy proposal for IPv4, they will come up with the usual argument that this is like arranging the deck chairs again. I have to mention, however, that the latest scientific research proved that the sinking of the Titanic could have been delayed by several hours if the deck chairs were properly arranged in due time. Therefore, this proposal may also contribute to a better Internet on the long run. PS2: To those who had the patience to read this e-mail I wish a Happy 1 April! ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.consulintel.es The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Well done! Nikolay. On 01.04.2018 19:45, Janos Zsako wrote:
Dear all,
Several existing and potential LIRs have complained about the fact that a /22 may not be enough for starting an Internet service. While there is a general agreement that this allocation size should not be changed during the last /8 policy, it may be useful to make some exceptions in some properly justified cases.
There is also a general agreement that people should take care of their health, they should eat healthy food and do sufficient physical exercise, possibly by going regularly to the gym.
I have thought of a possibility to allocate up to a /20 from the last /8 pool to the companies that can prove that they encourage and help their employees to take care of their help, and that the employees themselves do take advantage of these possibilities.
I already have a couple of initial suggestions for consideration, like the average number of hours of workout per employee per week, the average Body Mass Index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index) per employee, and a couple of similar good ways of measuring the health status at the company. I also though that computing a simple average may disadvantage larger companies, therefore some formula taking into account the size of the different departments and the values measured there could be worked out, similar to the HD ratio used in determining the address utilisation (https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-699#hd_ratio). This could make the proposal more fair to large enterprises. There is, however, quite some work to be done to make these ideas properly implementable.
I think we should set up a small task force to determine the criteria such LIRs should meet. The time is pressing, we have to act quickly in order to be able to discuss the proposal in Marseilles. Anyone who volunteers for the Task Force should contact me ASAP. We can then come up with a formal proposal and present it to the working group, by following the formal steps of the PDP.
I am looking forward to being contacted by the volunteers.
Best regards, Janos
PS: I am sure some people, when they hear about a new policy proposal for IPv4, they will come up with the usual argument that this is like arranging the deck chairs again. I have to mention, however, that the latest scientific research proved that the sinking of the Titanic could have been delayed by several hours if the deck chairs were properly arranged in due time. Therefore, this proposal may also contribute to a better Internet on the long run.
PS2: To those who had the patience to read this e-mail I wish a Happy 1 April!
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Dominik Nowacki -
Janos Zsako -
Jim Reid -
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ -
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