do we need a policy for avoiding "multiple unjustified LIRs"?
Hi all, After looking at the video from Marco, today presentation/discussion and the recent discussions on this, as I just mention, should we work in a policy proposal to amend the internal procedure so the justification for additional LIRs is stronger? I understand many cases for the need of an additional LIR, but doing valid for *any artificial case* is not good. Any though on that? Possible ideas about how we define the border line? As usual, I'm happy to work on this myself, or together with other folks. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Hi, On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 11:43:09AM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote:
After looking at the video from Marco, today presentation/discussion and the recent discussions on this, as I just mention, should we work in a policy proposal to amend the internal procedure so the justification for additional LIRs is stronger?
There is no "justification for additional LIR" policy, as that's a contractual matter... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Exactly, that's why a policy may be needed if I understood correctly Marco response, but anyway, happy to get further inputs from staff about that. The question is "may it be handled only via a contractual change" or we need a policy to "implement that contractual change"? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 23/11/21 11:46, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Gert Doering" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de gert@space.net> escribió: Hi, On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 11:43:09AM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > After looking at the video from Marco, today presentation/discussion and the recent discussions on this, as I just mention, should we work in a policy proposal to amend the internal procedure so the justification for additional LIRs is stronger? There is no "justification for additional LIR" policy, as that's a contractual matter... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Hello everybody, Of cause no. That will not help. always possible to avoid. Doing more complex polices is not good way. NCC had already lot of issues with that. Does any body remember how they asked to use email with the name to use in their database and people should change emails lot of times to sutisfy NCC.... We did a lot of noise and NCC canceled it. Brr... If people request space - then they need it and they select this way to get it with NCC. This is normal process. No rush here. NCC should work as usual. Yury
Not acting is a path for abuse and stockpiling. Not fair and we must resolve it avoiding it as much as possible. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 23/11/21 11:59, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Staff" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de policy@ntx.ru> escribió: Hello everybody, Of cause no. That will not help. always possible to avoid. Doing more complex polices is not good way. NCC had already lot of issues with that. Does any body remember how they asked to use email with the name to use in their database and people should change emails lot of times to sutisfy NCC.... We did a lot of noise and NCC canceled it. Brr... If people request space - then they need it and they select this way to get it with NCC. This is normal process. No rush here. NCC should work as usual. Yury To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Hello Jordi, Thank you for your question. The policy proposal 2018-01, "Organisation-LIR Clarification in IPv6 Policy" agreed upon by the Address Policy WG gave a clear mandate to the RIPE NCC to allocate IPv6 resources per LIR, regardless of whether it is a single or multiple LIR account. https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2018-01 As I pointed out yesterday during my presentation, the collection of IPv6 allocations via multiple LIR accounts appears to conflict with some of the goals of the IPv6 policy. However, as was generally agreed yesterday during the Address Policy WG session, it might be time to review these goals. This could be one way forward to provide guidance to the RIPE NCC about how we should handle requests for additional IPv6 allocations from parties that already have large IPv6 blocks and no clear reason for requesting additional IPv6 allocations. Regarding your suggestion concerning opening multiple LIR accounts, this would be something for the RIPE NCC membership and the Executive Board to discuss. As you indicated, defining reasonable boundaries between justified and unjustified might be a challenge. Kind regards, Marco Schmidt Assistant Manager Registry Services RIPE NCC On 24/11/2021 11:14, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote:
Not acting is a path for abuse and stockpiling. Not fair and we must resolve it avoiding it as much as possible.
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 23/11/21 11:59, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Staff" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de policy@ntx.ru> escribió:
Hello everybody,
Of cause no.
That will not help. always possible to avoid. Doing more complex polices is not good way. NCC had already lot of issues with that. Does any body remember how they asked to use email with the name to use in their database and people should change emails lot of times to sutisfy NCC.... We did a lot of noise and NCC canceled it. Brr...
If people request space - then they need it and they select this way to get it with NCC.
This is normal process. No rush here. NCC should work as usual.
Yury
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