Re: [address-policy-wg] status of 2011-02
... we are constraining the IPv6 address distribution because of ...?
Jan
There are so many people using as the main and the last argument the concern about weak distribution of IPv6, that I'm personally becoming against anything they suggest. Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat
There are so many people using as the main and the last argument the concern about weak distribution of IPv6
have faith. they will come up with more excuses and someone else to blame. the reality is that v6 deployment used to be very difficult. it is fairly easy now, but there are no clear business incentives to go through the effort. ipv4 runout is supplying the incentive. but expect a lot of whining, complaining, and blame shifting. randy
On 12/12/11 13:17, Randy Bush wrote:
There are so many people using as the main and the last argument the concern about weak distribution of IPv6
have faith. [...] there are no clear business incentives to go through the effort.
Oh there is but They do not want to see that. Only when they very suddenly and in a great hurry have to migrate all their infrastructure to IPv6 They will mumble something like it would have been a good idea to to that earlier. Cheers Hendrik -- Hendrik Voelker Server & Services Management EMEA Server Operations Verizon Deutschland GmbH Sebrathweg 20 D-44149 Dortmund GERMANY http://www.verizonbusiness.com/de/ tel +49-231-972-1565 fax +49-231-972-2587 PubKey 1024D/92479A5D EC1B 76F2 D69D 11C6 2611 5CD1 5269 9351 9247 9A5D Verizon Deutschland GmbH - Sebrathweg 20, 44149 Dortmund, Germany - Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 14952 - Geschäftsführer: Detlef Eppig - Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Dominique Gaillard
Hi, On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 02:22:19PM +0000, Hendrik T. Voelker wrote:
On 12/12/11 13:17, Randy Bush wrote:
There are so many people using as the main and the last argument the concern about weak distribution of IPv6
have faith. [...] there are no clear business incentives to go through the effort.
Oh there is but They do not want to see that. Only when they very suddenly and in a great hurry have to migrate all their infrastructure to IPv6 They will mumble something like it would have been a good idea to to that earlier.
Folks, may I call you to order, please? Feel free to discuss the merits of migrating to IPv6 or not - but if you want to do so, please change the Subject: line accordingly. This would be a new thread, and is not related to the question that needs discussing in *this* thread: has consensus been reached on 2011-02 or not. Thanks. Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 03:33:10PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote:
discussing in *this* thread: has consensus been reached on 2011-02 or not.
I think yes, as this discussion seems not to be about "Multihoming, yes or no" but "We should abolish PI". cheers, Sascha Luck
Randy Bush wrote:
have faith. they will come up with more excuses and someone else to blame. the reality is that v6 deployment used to be very difficult. it is fairly easy now,
Repeating what I recently wrote to IETF ML... IPv6 is not operational, which is partly why most service providers refuse it. For example, to purposelessly enable multicast PMTUD, RFC2463 (ICMPv6) mandates routers generate ICMPv6 packet too big against multicast packets, which causes ICMPv6 packet implosions, which is not operational. For further details, see my presentation at the last APNIC: How Path MTU Discovery Doesn't work http://meetings.apnic.net/__data/assets/file/0018/38214/pathMTU.pdf W.r.t. your slides at Taipei IETF, 48bit address space with IPv4 address and port numbers is the end to end transparent water for salmon. For the transparency, see, for example, rfc3102: RSIP is intended as a alternative to NAT in which the end- to-end integrity of packets is maintained. Masataka Ohta
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