Re: [address-policy-wg] 2012-02 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Policy for Inter-RIR Transfers of IPv4 Address Space)
Dear colleagues, In order to clarify some points of the impact analysis and facilitate the current community discussion, we would like to highlight some details about the foreseen implementation activity related to the proposal 2012-02. With regards to the two points of the impact analyses that are being questioned: "C. Impact of Policy on RIPE NCC Operations/Services Registration Services: It is very relevant to note that the implementation of this policy proposal will require a significant effort of co-ordination between the RIPE NCC and the other RIRs. It is unclear at the moment how much time and resources will be needed to fully implement the proposal." If the proposal is accepted, it should be noted that the RIPE NCC service region will be the third region involved in inter-RIR transfers, after ARIN and APNIC. There already exists close coordination between the RS departments of all RIRs as an ongoing and ordinary activity, aimed at monitoring trends, issues and solutions related to the resource registration activities. This policy proposal would increase the importance and relevance of this existing coordination by broadening its scope to inter-RIR transfer resources as well. Therefore based on both ARIN's and APNIC's experience in this area the amount of effort may be somewhat reduced. Each inter-RIR transfer will consist of: - evaluation of RIPE Policy compliance - evaluation of official documentation - coordination with the other involved RIR staff - updating registry entries Therefore, the only additional step compared to intra-RIR transfers would be the coordination with the other RIR staff. With regards to the estimated volume of the potential inter-RIR transfers, it is difficult to make predictions, as the only data currently available is the number of transfers currently taking place, which is less than 20 intra-RIR transfers to date. Based on those numbers, we do not expect a major increase in effort. The anticipated number of inter-RIR transfers is unclear and some members of the RIPE community are suggesting that not all RIPE NCC members would directly benefit from this policy, as is the case with many RIPE Policies. However, it is worth emphasising that if no inter-RIR policy is in place there is a growing risk that some entities will choose to transfer number resources without informing the relevant RIRs or reflect these transfers in the relevant registries. This would dilute the accuracy of the collective RIR registries and have a direct impact on the entire RIPE NCC membership. Therefore, as both APNIC and ARIN already have this policy in place, the RIPE community should consider the consequences of not having an inter-RIR transfer policy in place. "D. Legal Impact of Policy If this policy proposal will be accepted, the RIPE NCC will need to create appropriate legal procedures and template agreements in order for all parties to understand and agree on the preconditions and the consequences of the transfer in accordance with the provisions of this policy." Our legal department indicated that any changes to the appropriate legal procedures and template agreements would fit into the normal work processes that occur after any RIPE Policy has been implemented. Regards, Andrew de la Haye Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC
Hi Andrew,
Each inter-RIR transfer will consist of:
- evaluation of RIPE Policy compliance - evaluation of official documentation - coordination with the other involved RIR staff - updating registry entries
Therefore, the only additional step compared to intra-RIR transfers would be the coordination with the other RIR staff.
If I understand you correctly it comes down to: - If one RIR is involved that RIR does its evaluation. - If two RIRs are involved they both do their evaluation, and they communicate. If correct then it comes down to sending the other RIR an e-mail telling them 'we're fine with this transfer' and waiting for the other RIR to do the same before approving the transfer. Doesn't sound too bad :-) Cheers, Sander
* Sander Steffann
Each inter-RIR transfer will consist of:
- evaluation of RIPE Policy compliance - evaluation of official documentation - coordination with the other involved RIR staff - updating registry entries
Therefore, the only additional step compared to intra-RIR transfers would be the coordination with the other RIR staff.
If I understand you correctly it comes down to: - If one RIR is involved that RIR does its evaluation. - If two RIRs are involved they both do their evaluation, and they communicate.
If correct then it comes down to sending the other RIR an e-mail telling them 'we're fine with this transfer' and waiting for the other RIR to do the same before approving the transfer. Doesn't sound too bad :-)
It doesn't, no. From the IA text alone I had understood that the amount of NCC work needed to implement this proposal to be «significant». But based on Andrew's clarification I withdraw my objection to 2012-02 and return to the neutral category. -- Tore Anderson
participants (3)
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Andrew de la Haye
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Sander Steffann
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Tore Anderson