On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 01:34:48PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote:

Dear WG,

On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 12:20:53PM +0100, Marco Schmidt wrote:

...

Policy proposal 2019-06, "Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy" is now in the extended Review Phase.

This proposal got support in discussion phase, but no comments whatsoever in review phase. Based on this, we cannot advance it, even if chairs and proposer think it is reasonable and had support beforehand...

I fully support this proposal. -- Denis Fondras / Liopen Mob: +33.761.029.186 Mél: contact@liopen.fr PGP: 0xF7D4828559706135

On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 01:34:48PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote:

On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 12:20:53PM +0100, Marco Schmidt wrote:

...

Policy proposal 2019-06, "Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy" is now in the extended Review Phase.

This proposal got support in discussion phase, but no comments whatsoever in review phase. Based on this, we cannot advance it, even if chairs and proposer think it is reasonable and had support beforehand...

So, please have a look and express your opinion - continued support, or disagreement.

Support. -- Piotr Strzyżewski

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, Gert Doering wrote:

So, please have a look and express your opinion - continued support, or disagreement.

I support this. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, at 13:34, Gert Doering wrote:

So, please have a look and express your opinion - continued support, or disagreement.

Support. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN

Hi Abdullah, I don’t think that will be good. In fact, in many cases, we have a hard time to understand the text of the rest of the policy text if we don’t rely in a very good set of definitions. However, I just noticed something that could be removed: “[Note: some of these definitions will be replaced by definitions from other RIR documents in order to be more consistent.]” But at this stage of the proposal, I’m not sure how feasible is it, without restarting everything … (and in that case, if we need to restart everything, it’s probably better to keep it for any future proposal that needs to change anything else). Or it can be considered an editorial change? What the chairs believe, and also Marco/Petrit? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 13/1/20 18:08, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Abdullah Cemil AKÇAM" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de abdullahcemil.akcam@btk.gov.tr> escribió: Dear I liked the simplified version of this document. Just a small feedback: section titled "Definitions" can be shortened further by eliminating well known jargon. Best From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Marco Schmidt <mschmidt@ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:20:53 PM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [address-policy-wg] 2019-06 Review Phase Extended (Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy) Dear colleagues, Policy proposal 2019-06, "Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy" is now in the extended Review Phase. This proposal aims to remove obsoleted text and simplify the IPv6 policy. You can find the full proposal and the RIPE NCC impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-06 And the draft documents at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-06/draft As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four week extended Review Phase is to continue discussing the proposal, taking the impact analysis into consideration, and to review the full draft RIPE Policy Document. At the end of the Review Phase, the Working Group (WG) Chairs will determine whether the WG has reached rough consensus. It is therefore important to provide your opinion, even if it is simply a restatement of your input from the previous phase. We encourage you to read the proposal, impact analysis and draft document and send any comments to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 6 February 2020. 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Hi Petrit, My reading of the sentence is a bit different. Of course, I may be wrong ... It comes from the original IPv6 policy that was developed jointly by folks from APNIC, ARIN and RIPE NCC. It was there just so each RIR make their own changes (in other RIRs, this was removed) and we forgot about it ... just copy and paste. If anything, change in any RIR that affects this definitions section, we will need to use the PDP to amend it in our own policy. So, this sentence doesn't fix that at all, and consequently I don't think the analysis impact should be different. However, as said, I'm fine keeping it, just wondering if we all agree without the need to restart the process (which I believe, unless chairs think otherwise, is not good at this stage). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 14/1/20 12:25, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Petrit Hasani" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de phasani@ripe.net> escribió: Hello Jordi, The sentence below makes it easier to do changes to the definitions sections in this document in case there are changes in other RIRs. (Example: If the NIR system is removed in APNIC, we would update the hierarchical structure): “[Note: some of these definitions will be replaced by definitions from other RIR documents in order to be more consistent.]” Considering that removing the sentence creates an impact, it would have to be mentioned in the impact analysis which would mean that we need to start the review phase again. Kind regards, -- Petrit Hasani Policy Officer RIPE NCC > On 13 Jan 2020, at 22:18, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > > Hi Abdullah, > > I don’t think that will be good. In fact, in many cases, we have a hard time to understand the text of the rest of the policy text if we don’t rely in a very good set of definitions. > > However, I just noticed something that could be removed: > > “[Note: some of these definitions will be replaced by definitions from other RIR documents in order to be more consistent.]” > > > But at this stage of the proposal, I’m not sure how feasible is it, without restarting everything … (and in that case, if we need to restart everything, it’s probably better to keep it for any future proposal that needs to change anything else). > > Or it can be considered an editorial change? What the chairs believe, and also Marco/Petrit? > > Regards, > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > El 13/1/20 18:08, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Abdullah Cemil AKÇAM" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de abdullahcemil.akcam@btk.gov.tr> escribió: > > Dear > I liked the simplified version of this document. Just a small feedback: section titled "Definitions" can be shortened further by eliminating well known jargon. > Best > From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Marco Schmidt <mschmidt@ripe.net> > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:20:53 PM > To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> > Subject: [address-policy-wg] 2019-06 Review Phase Extended (Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy) > > Dear colleagues, > > Policy proposal 2019-06, "Multiple Editorial Changes in IPv6 Policy" is > now in the extended Review Phase. > > This proposal aims to remove obsoleted text and simplify the IPv6 policy. > > You can find the full proposal and the RIPE NCC impact analysis at: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-06 > > And the draft documents at: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-06/draft > > As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this > four week extended Review Phase is to continue discussing the proposal, > taking the impact analysis into consideration, and to review the full > draft RIPE Policy Document. > > At the end of the Review Phase, the Working Group (WG) Chairs will > determine whether the WG has reached rough consensus. It is therefore > important to provide your opinion, even if it is simply a restatement of > your input from the previous phase. > > We encourage you to read the proposal, impact analysis and draft > document and send any comments to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 6 > February 2020. > > Kind regards, > > Marco Schmidt > Registration Services and Policy Development Assistant Manager > RIPE NCC > > > > > > Abdullah Cemil AKÇAM > Bilişim Uzmanı > Bilgi Teknolojileri Dairesi Başkanlığı > > Tel: +90 312 586 52 82 > Adres: Eskişehir Yolu 10.Km No: 276 Posta Kodu: 06530 Çankaya/Ankara > > www.btk.gov.tr > _ _ _ __ _ _ _ > > > > YASAL UYARI: > Bu e-postada yer alan bilgiler, beraberinde iletilen tüm bilgi, onay ve her türlü formattaki dosyalar, gizlidir ve kişiye özel olabilir ve sadece gönderildiği kişi ya da kuruma ya da bu bilgileri kullanmaya ya da almaya yetkili diğer kişilere özeldir. Eğer siz doğru kişi değilseniz, bu e-postayı açıklamak, kopyalamak, dağıtmak ya da içeriğine istinaden işlem yapmak tümüyle yasaktır ve kanuna aykırı olabilir. Bu nedenle bu e-postayı yanlışlıkla aldıysanız, bu durumu derhal gönderene haber veriniz ve e-postayı siliniz. Bu e-postanın tarafınıza yanlışlıkla iletilmiş olması yüzünden e-postanın gizli ve kişiye özel niteliği kaybolmaz ya da bu niteliğinden vazgeçilmez. BTK, bu e-postada yer alan bilgilerin ya da e-postanın kendisinin usulüne göre ve/veya tam iletiminden ya da e-postanın alınmasında yaşanan herhangi bir gecikmeden sorumlu değildir. BTK bu e-postanın içeriği ile ilgili olarak hiç bir hukuksal sorumluluğu kabul etmez. BTK, virüs filtreleme uygulamakla birlikte, e-postanın virüs içermediğini garanti ya da temin etmez. > > DISCLAIMER: > The information, consent and file attached thereto, contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to use it or receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in reliance of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If therefore you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. Confidentiality and legal privileges are not waived or lost even if you have been accidentally transmitted by this e-mail. ICTA is not responsible for the proper and/or complete transmission of the information contained in this e-mail or of the e-mail itself nor in any delay in its receipt. 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