What is different when customer get PA instead of PI ? Don't you have to update the same prefix table ? Do you see any compromise between approve/deny this proposal ? let's say limited number of PI addresses for each End user ? Best regards _____________________________________ Pavol Kovac -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of address-policy-wg-request@ripe.net Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:00 PM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: address-policy-wg digest, Vol 1 #1326 - 4 msgs Send address-policy-wg mailing list submissions to address-policy-wg@ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to address-policy-wg-request@ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of address-policy-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6 (Elmar Germann) 2. Re: Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6 (Sascha Lenz) 3. FW: [address-policy-wg] Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6 (poty@iiat.ru) 4. Re: Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6 (thabet@gmail.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 22:36:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Elmar Germann <germann@global-village.de> To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: [address-policy-wg] Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6 Hello, we do not support this policy. Removing the requirement for multihomed announcements would simply result in more unnecessary PI assignments which will increase the prefix table. We were already asked from several customers for new PI assignments just to draw down the work in case of an ISP change. PI address space should always be bound to technical requirements so that only end users with real requirements are able to request an assignment. I agree that there's currently a discriminating between IPv6 PA und PI address space, but the conculsion should be changeing the policy for the PA address space and not offering PI address space without technical requirements. Kind regards, Elmar Germann. -- Global Village GmbH Tel +49 2855 9651 0 GF Marcus Faure Mehrumer Str. 16 Fax +49 2855 9651 110 Amtsgericht Duisburg HRB9987 D-46562 Voerde eMail info@globvill.de Ust-Id DE180295363 --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6 From: Sascha Lenz <slz@baycix.de> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:47:34 +0200 To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Hay, Am 12.05.2011 um 22:36 schrieb Elmar Germann:

Hello, =20 we do not support this policy. Removing the requirement for multihomed = announcements would simply result in more unnecessary PI assignments = which will increase the prefix table. We were already asked from several = customers for new PI assignments just to draw down the work in case of = an ISP change. PI address space should always be bound to technical = requirements so that only end users with real requirements are able to = request an assignment. I agree that there's currently a discriminating between IPv6 PA und PI = address space, but the conculsion should be changeing the policy for the = PA address space and not offering PI address space without technical = requirements.

that might be a rather shortsighted and possibly dangerous view on the = matter. Because instead of just getting a PI prefix which you as clueful ISP = will inject in the DFZ, this just leads to most of them asking for a happy-meal including an ASN and = you have to deal with another unmaintained and possibly unstable AS in the DFZ because they just pay a = consultant once to set up BGP on their router and the Tunnel to he.net as a 2nd Upstream for = free and never care about it anymore. Or worse, they do it themselves with help from their = favorite search-engine *shudder*. ...just my 0.01 EUR And yes i don't understand the whining about the requirement anyways. It's easy to circumvent. So it's not at all doing anything good at all. (I indeed support the proposal for various non-technical reasons. If things with PI vs. PA might change anyways in the foreseeable future, = this=20 IPv4 vs. IPv6 PI policy distinction is doing nothing but hinder the desperately needed widespread IPv6 deployment at = the very moment. One has to set the right priorities here.) --=20 Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen / Kind Regards Sascha Lenz [SLZ-RIPE] Senior System- & Network Architect --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: FW: [address-policy-wg] Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6 Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:44:42 +0400 From: <poty@iiat.ru> To: <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Hello, I do not support this proposal. We are speaking about real possibilities = and real impact. The proposers doesn't know exactly the impact of the = changes and are deaf to the other people pointing to the real troubles = relating the grooving number of prefixes. Their na=EFve assumptions = about cheap BGP routers show their inability to broader the mind just = outside their small nets needs. Technical requirements should be the = only way of making decisions. If someone has tendency to lie - it would lie anyway - one thing or = another. Regards, Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat --__--__-- Message: 4 Reply-To: thabet@gmail.com Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Removal of multihomed requirement for IPv6 To: poty@iiat.ru,address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net,address-policy-wg@ripe.net From: thabet@gmail.com Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 08:47:20 +0000 SSBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIFZsYWRpc2xhdiBQb3RhcG92DQoNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IEJsYWNrQmVy cnmuIHNtYXJ0cGhvbmUgZnJvbSBkdQ0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJv bTogPHBvdHlAaWlhdC5ydT4NClNlbmRlcjogYWRkcmVzcy1wb2xpY3ktd2ctYWRtaW5AcmlwZS5u ZXQNCkRhdGU6IEZyaSwgMTMgTWF5IDIwMTEgMTI6NDQ6NDIgDQpUbzogPGFkZHJlc3MtcG9saWN5 LXdnQHJpcGUubmV0Pg0KU3ViamVjdDogRlc6IFthZGRyZXNzLXBvbGljeS13Z10gUmVtb3ZhbCBv ZiBtdWx0aWhvbWVkIHJlcXVpcmVtZW50IGZvciBJUHY2DQoNCkhlbGxvLA0KSSBkbyBub3Qgc3Vw cG9ydCB0aGlzIHByb3Bvc2FsLiBXZSBhcmUgc3BlYWtpbmcgYWJvdXQgcmVhbCBwb3NzaWJpbGl0 aWVzIGFuZCByZWFsIGltcGFjdC4gVGhlIHByb3Bvc2VycyBkb2Vzbid0IGtub3cgZXhhY3RseSB0 aGUgaW1wYWN0IG9mIHRoZSBjaGFuZ2VzIGFuZCBhcmUgZGVhZiB0byB0aGUgb3RoZXIgcGVvcGxl IHBvaW50aW5nIHRvIHRoZSByZWFsIHRyb3VibGVzIHJlbGF0aW5nIHRoZSBncm9vdmluZyBudW1i ZXIgb2YgcHJlZml4ZXMuIFRoZWlyIG5h73ZlIGFzc3VtcHRpb25zIGFib3V0IGNoZWFwIEJHUCBy b3V0ZXJzIHNob3cgdGhlaXIgaW5hYmlsaXR5IHRvIGJyb2FkZXIgdGhlIG1pbmQganVzdCBvdXRz aWRlIHRoZWlyIHNtYWxsIG5ldHMgbmVlZHMuIFRlY2huaWNhbCByZXF1aXJlbWVudHMgc2hvdWxk IGJlIHRoZSBvbmx5IHdheSBvZiBtYWtpbmcgZGVjaXNpb25zLg0KSWYgc29tZW9uZSBoYXMgdGVu ZGVuY3kgdG8gbGllIC0gaXQgd291bGQgbGllIGFueXdheSAtIG9uZSB0aGluZyBvciBhbm90aGVy Lg0KDQpSZWdhcmRzLA0KVmxhZGlzbGF2IFBvdGFwb3YNClJ1LmlpYXQNCg0K End of address-policy-wg Digest