Re: [address-policy-wg] Assignments for Critical Infrastruction
Thanks for your fast reply. To be honest, I haven't seen multiple /24 IPv4 prefixes allocated (legally) to a single entity in Arin region just for DNS BGP Anycast service. In Ripe region you can't get /24 prefix allocated for DNS BGP anycast hosting if you are a normal business (like a DNS service provider who just wants to compete in this business crowd) unless you are gTLD or ccTLD. In Arin region you can get ONE /24 prefix for this purpose... This is why I am harsh with my comments to gTLD and ccTLD owners who now want more than one /24 prefix for DNS hosting in Ripe region... Sorry... Thanks! Greg http://www.linuxadmin.org/ At 19:54 2008.11.17., you wrote:
Greg, 2008/11/17 Greg L. <bgp2@linuxadmin.org>: > Current IPv4 already provides more advantage to ccTLD and gTLD with IPv4 /24 > prefix allocations for BGP anycast than for other business entities that > would like to get /24 prefix for BGP anycast DNS deployments. It does not provide 'more advantage", RIPE policy provides just 'exactly ONE /24 IPv4 prefix and exactly ONE /48 IPv6 prefix' and it's not enough if you want to provide reliable infrastructure for TLD. > I don't see a reason why more resources should be allocated to a specific > group/entities named under "Critical infrastructure" category that still > compete with businesses that are unable to get /24 BGP anycast assignment > for DNS solutions from Ripe. This is not fair (it was a bit fair when gTLD > and ccTLD started out 5+ years ago). All these other businesses relies on services provided by ccTLD/gTLD, that's why. ccTLD/gTLD operation is almost as important as root servers operations. Certainly there are some categories of TLDs according to number of registered domains, but I would like to avoid a discussion about how much domain you need to have registered to be allowed to have /24 anycast prefix. Other reason could be that this would align RIPE policy with other RIRs policies. > This is why many European companies prefer Arin's IP space. Welcome to Arin! I am no ARIN policy expert, but from what I remember there is no special policy for other businesses in ARIN policy. But there is a special policy for 'critical infrastructure' and TLD DNS operators is already using that. Now that's unfair, we are basically punished for being in RIPE region, since you can get more anycast prefixes from all other RIRs. And please note that most of European TLDs are unable to move to other regions because of legal stuff. It's much easier to get legal status in US if you are private owned then if you are not-for-profit. Ondrej. -- OndÅej Surý technický Åeditel/Chief Technical Officer ----------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- .cz domain registry Americká 23,120 00 Praha 2,Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz http://nic.cz/ sip:ondrej.sury@nic.cz tel:+420.222745110 mob:+420.739013699 fax:+420.222745112 -----------------------------------------
Greg,
In Ripe region you can't get /24 prefix allocated for DNS BGP anycast hosting if you are a normal business (like a DNS service provider who just wants to compete in this business crowd) unless you are gTLD or ccTLD. In Arin region you can get ONE /24 prefix for this purpose... This is why I am harsh with my comments to gTLD and ccTLD owners who now want more than one /24 prefix for DNS hosting in Ripe region... Sorry...
if you want to change policy, feel free to write a proposal and let's discuss it here. And if we get a consensus that such policy enhancement should be implemented in RIPE region then we are going to implement it. Meanwhile let's not stop TLDs from getting more anycast address space just because other businesses cannot get it. Ondrej -- Ondrej Sury technicky reditel/Chief Technical Officer ----------------------------------------- CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o. -- .cz domain registry Americka 23,120 00 Praha 2,Czech Republic mailto:ondrej.sury@nic.cz http://nic.cz/ sip:ondrej.sury@nic.cz tel:+420.222745110 mob:+420.739013699 fax:+420.222745112 -----------------------------------------
Hi Greg, On 17/11/2008 7:53, "Greg L." <bgp2@linuxadmin.org> wrote: [...]
In Ripe region you can't get /24 prefix allocated for DNS BGP anycast hosting if you are a normal business (like a DNS service provider who just wants to compete in this business crowd) unless you are gTLD or ccTLD. In Arin region you can get ONE /24 prefix for this purpose... This is why I am harsh with my comments to gTLD and ccTLD owners who now want more than one /24 prefix for DNS hosting in Ripe region... Sorry...
I think that the problem ccTLDs and company suffer from is that their DNS anycast networks don't use enough addresses to justify a /24 PI assignment under the normal policy. But if you are a regular business you are less likely to have just one customer and so the problem of not qualifying under the normal policy should be less likely. The RIPE NCC appear to have assigned just over 880 /24 PI assignments so far this year. /24s don't seem to be too difficult to get in the general case, just in this particular case. Regards, Leo Vegoda
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Greg L.
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Leo Vegoda
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