RE: 2010-01 New Policy Proposal (Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policies)
Hi RIPE, Today's discussion was interesting and concern was raised about commercials being able to get all or most of the address space set aside in the proposal, and about unfair commercial advantage. My thoughts as a paragraph, which I know is rushed and woolly and only intended as a discussion point: 3.5 Use by Commercial Organizations Temporary address space will not be assigned by the RIPE NCC to any commercial organization where such an allocation: * Is not shown to be for a research, development or testing project relevant to an operational business of that organization * Does not seek to provide a "benefit", e.g. through published work in academic or industrial journals, or * Is unable to demonstrate a fair inclusion policy for other commercial organizations to contribute to, or benefit from, the project. [Address allocation is at the RIPE NCCs discretion, but subject to the RIPE NCC Conflict Arbitration Procedure.] Kind regards Jamie Stallwood -- Jamie Stallwood Security Specialist Imerja Limited Tel: 07795 840385 jamie.stallwood@imerja.com -- Imerja Limited Tel: 0870 8611488 | Fax: 0870 8611489 | 24x7 ISOC: 0870 8611490 | Web: www.imerja.com Registered Office: Paragon House, Paragon Business Park, Chorley New Road, Horwich, Bolton BL6 6HG Registered in England and Wales No. 5180119 VAT Registered No. 845 0647 22 ISO Registered Firm No. GB2001527 This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s) you should not use, copy, distribute or take any action or reliance on it, since to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by email reply and delete it from your system. E-mail messages are not secure and attachments could contain software viruses which may damage your system. Whilst every reasonable precaution has been taken to minimise this risk, Imerja Limited cannot accept any liability for any damage sustained as a result of these factors. You are advised to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not represent those of Imerja Limited unless otherwise stated.
On 06/05/2010 00:32, Jamie Stallwood wrote:
Today's discussion was interesting and concern was raised about commercials being able to get all or most of the address space set aside in the proposal, and about unfair commercial advantage. My thoughts as a paragraph, which I know is rushed and woolly and only intended as a discussion point:
3.5 Use by Commercial Organizations Temporary address space will not be assigned by the RIPE NCC to any commercial organization where such an allocation: * Is not shown to be for a research, development or testing project relevant to an operational business of that organization * Does not seek to provide a "benefit", e.g. through published work in academic or industrial journals, or * Is unable to demonstrate a fair inclusion policy for other commercial organizations to contribute to, or benefit from, the project.
The original point about unfair advantage was purely that any organisation (whether commercial or not) could hog all the address space in a temporary assignment pool managed by the NCC, and that this would discriminate against all other potential end users. In the case of commercial end users, this discrimination could be interpreted as a commercial advantage / disadvantage situation. Can you explain why you're suggesting that commercial end users be discriminated against in any future temporary assignment policy? Nick
Hi Nick and all, You could well be right that "unfairness" could be exhibited by non-commercial organizations, in which case maybe removing the word "commercial" from the argument would be a good thing. Kind regards Jamie Stallwood -- Jamie Stallwood Security Specialist Imerja Limited Tel: 07795 840385 jamie.stallwood@imerja.com -----Original Message----- From: Nick Hilliard [mailto:nick@inex.ie] Sent: Thu 5/6/2010 15:46 To: Jamie Stallwood Cc: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] RE: 2010-01 New Policy Proposal (Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policies) On 06/05/2010 00:32, Jamie Stallwood wrote:
Today's discussion was interesting and concern was raised about commercials being able to get all or most of the address space set aside in the proposal, and about unfair commercial advantage. My thoughts as a paragraph, which I know is rushed and woolly and only intended as a discussion point:
3.5 Use by Commercial Organizations Temporary address space will not be assigned by the RIPE NCC to any commercial organization where such an allocation: * Is not shown to be for a research, development or testing project relevant to an operational business of that organization * Does not seek to provide a "benefit", e.g. through published work in academic or industrial journals, or * Is unable to demonstrate a fair inclusion policy for other commercial organizations to contribute to, or benefit from, the project.
The original point about unfair advantage was purely that any organisation (whether commercial or not) could hog all the address space in a temporary assignment pool managed by the NCC, and that this would discriminate against all other potential end users. In the case of commercial end users, this discrimination could be interpreted as a commercial advantage / disadvantage situation. Can you explain why you're suggesting that commercial end users be discriminated against in any future temporary assignment policy? Nick -- Imerja Limited Tel: 0870 8611488 | Fax: 0870 8611489 | 24x7 ISOC: 0870 8611490 | Web: www.imerja.com Registered Office: Paragon House, Paragon Business Park, Chorley New Road, Horwich, Bolton BL6 6HG Registered in England and Wales No. 5180119 VAT Registered No. 845 0647 22 ISO Registered Firm No. GB2001527 This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s) you should not use, copy, distribute or take any action or reliance on it, since to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by email reply and delete it from your system. E-mail messages are not secure and attachments could contain software viruses which may damage your system. Whilst every reasonable precaution has been taken to minimise this risk, Imerja Limited cannot accept any liability for any damage sustained as a result of these factors. You are advised to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not represent those of Imerja Limited unless otherwise stated.
On 6 May 2010, at 15:46, Nick Hilliard wrote:
Can you explain why you're suggesting that commercial end users be discriminated against in any future temporary assignment policy?
A workable definition of "commercial end user" would be nice too. If such a thing exists.
On 06/05/2010 17:20, Jim Reid wrote:
A workable definition of "commercial end user" would be nice too. If such a thing exists.
Jim, We should probably start with an agreed working definition of "End User". You shoot first. Nick
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