Allocation transfer
Hi all, uk.redwing is a small LIR, providing internet via satellite. We are in the process of hosting a new satellite platform, on behalf of another organisation, that is projecting a requirement for a /19 in the next 12 months. This partner is not currently an LIR, but is considering it as a future option. What I am trying to determine is if uk.redwing applies for this /19 address block, and assigns it as PA space, will it be possible in the future for us to hand it over to our partner, if/when they become an LIR themselves. Perhaps this is a case where PI addresses would be suitable, but I see warnings everywhere I look regarding the use of PI space. My apologies if this is not the correct place to post this question, please let me know the best place to go if I'm on the wrong list. Thanks very much, Dave Bell Redwing Satellite Solutions Ltd.
Hi Dave! PI is really usable on the practic! There is no problem with many ones I registered for my clients ;) But I think your customers wants /19 is not for themselves exactly, but for their clients. Current policy restricts giving subnets greater than /29 to clients without registering it into RIPE DB (assigning own networks for them) with end user's information. So if do things right way, they need to become LIR immediately to assign networks to their users. Remember, LIR will got ALLOCATED (not ASSIGNED) /19. Formally, there is not them space, but reserved for their clients. So them really need own LIR right now, and may look up for somebody (may be me? - hehe ;) ) can outsource LIR services if it is too expensieve for them now. If they are really end-users with a requirement of /19, you can ever assign them /19 or register /19 PI. PI is better because of there is no yearly payments for network ;) Ofcourse, there is a way when you will directly assign address space for their customers, but it is a wrong way because after a time you completly shouldn't divide it onto two independent LIRs without full renumbering. Other ways like got an PI /19 and giving space to users without any registering I do not say, because you are in UK, not in RU ;-)
uk.redwing is a small LIR, providing internet via satellite. We are in the process of hosting a new satellite platform, on behalf of another organisation, that is projecting a requirement for a /19 in the next 12 months. This partner is not currently an LIR, but is considering it as a future option.
What I am trying to determine is if uk.redwing applies for this /19 address block, and assigns it as PA space, will it be possible in the future for us to hand it over to our partner, if/when they become an LIR themselves. Perhaps this is a case where PI addresses would be suitable, but I see warnings everywhere I look regarding the use of PI space.
My apologies if this is not the correct place to post this question, please let me know the best place to go if I'm on the wrong list.
Thanks very much,
Dave Bell Redwing Satellite Solutions Ltd.
-- С Уважением, Максим Тульев (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO)
Hi all,
uk.redwing is a small LIR, providing internet via satellite. We are in the process of hosting a new satellite platform, on behalf of another organisation, that is projecting a requirement for a /19 in the next 12 months. This partner is not currently an LIR, but is considering it as a future option.
What I am trying to determine is if uk.redwing applies for this /19 address block, and assigns it as PA space, will it be possible in the future for us to hand it over to our partner, if/when they become an LIR themselves. Perhaps this is a case where PI addresses would be suitable, but I see warnings everywhere I look regarding the use of PI space.
My apologies if this is not the correct place to post this question,
Hi Dave, there are two ways possibe to accomplish this as I'd take the policies. First would be as your question was: You could apply for a (additional) /19 allocation and assign it to your customer. Later on when they've become a LIR themselves you can contact NCC for transfer of this allocation to your customers LIR. I've not found any detailed information ad hoc but in document RIPE-301 (intended for mergers, take-overs and so on) is the possibility of transferring a resource mentioned without any direct relationship to closure or merger of the originating LIR. Second is what I think would be the most 'correct' way to do this: Some time ago (if my memory's right it's about 1 1/2 years ago) RIPE added the option for assignments as 'SUB-ALLOCATION' which on a quick glance is exactly what you plan to do: hand a larger address range to another network operator for assignment to customers without him being a LIR himself. Just check document RIPE-324 for this. Just check the documents (especially 324) and maybe contact lir-help for their opinion on this. And please keep your hands off doing PI for this. Although /19 PI wouldn't make any difference to /19 PA within the routing tables, your customer won't be able to do any sub-assignments with registering them in the RIPE database using PI. I wouldn't want to get SPAM notifications for a /19 bunch of addresses only because I'm not able to add distinguished contacts for address ranges handed to customers. regards, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------- mainzkom Telekommunikation GmbH Ein Unternehmen der Tropolys-Gruppe Network Engineering and Administration mainzkom / maineotk / pulsaar Tel: +49-(0)6131/129343 | Fax: +49-(0)6131/129321 Mombacher Str. 40, 55122 Mainz, Germany --------------------------------------------------------- AS15837 | MG3031-RIPE --------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bell" <dbell@redwingsat.com> To: <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: [address-policy-wg] Allocation transfer please
let me know the best place to go if I'm on the wrong list.
Thanks very much,
Dave Bell Redwing Satellite Solutions Ltd.
Hi, On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 03:35:12PM +0200, Marcus Gerdon wrote:
You could apply for a (additional) /19 allocation and assign it to your customer. Later on when they've become a LIR themselves you can contact NCC for transfer of this allocation to your customers LIR. I've not found any detailed information ad hoc but in document RIPE-301 (intended for mergers, take-overs and so on) is the possibility of transferring a resource mentioned without any direct relationship to closure or merger of the originating LIR.
Moving LIR allocations to another LIR is definitely possible, if both LIRs agree that they want this.
Second is what I think would be the most 'correct' way to do this:
Some time ago (if my memory's right it's about 1 1/2 years ago) RIPE added the option for assignments as 'SUB-ALLOCATION' which on a quick glance is exactly what you plan to do: hand a larger address range to another network operator for assignment to customers without him being a LIR himself. Just check document RIPE-324 for this.
Yes, that could be a viable approach. Start with a suballocation (that's conveniently located near the border of your allocation) and eventually move over the /19. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 71007 (66629) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 D- 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-234
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