Proposal: Limiting Membership and Allocating IPv4 Subnets in Less Developed Countries
Limiting Membership and Allocating IPv4 Subnets in Less Developed Countries. Background: The Regional Internet Registry (RIR) for Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia, RIPE NCC, faces challenges in managing the allocation of IPv4 addresses due to exhaustion of available IPv4 address space globally. This proposal aims to address these challenges by implementing limits on membership per entity and providing special considerations for less developed countries where IPv6 adoption is still low. Proposal Details: 1. Limit Membership per Entity: - RIPE NCC will implement a policy limiting the number of memberships per entity to a maximum of two. - This measure aims to prevent hoarding of IPv4 address space by a few entities, ensuring fair distribution and availability of addresses to a wider range of organizations. 2. Allocation of IPv4 Subnets in Less Developed Countries: - Recognizing the challenges faced by less developed countries where IPv6 adoption is still minimal, RIPE NCC will allocate more than one /24 subnet to eligible entities in such regions. - This special consideration aims to support the growth and development of internet infrastructure in these countries, allowing them to meet their addressing needs while transitioning to IPv6 gradually. Rationale: 1. Fair Distribution: Limiting membership per entity ensures that a small number of organizations do not monopolize the available IPv4 address space, promoting fair distribution among a broader range of stakeholders. 2. Encouraging IPv6 Adoption: While IPv4 addresses are increasingly scarce, encouraging IPv6 adoption remains a priority. However, in less developed countries where IPv6 infrastructure is till underdeveloped, providing additional IPv4 address space can help sustain internet connectivity and services while facilitating a smoother transition to IPv6 in the long term. 3. Balanced Approach: By combining limits on membership with special considerations for less developed countries, RIPE NCC aims to strike a balance between managing IPv4 scarcity effectively and supporting the needs of regions where internet infrastructure development may lag behind. Conclusion: This proposal seeks to address the challenges of IPv4 address exhaustion by implementing limits on membership per entity and providing additional IPv4 address space to less developed countries. By promoting fair distribution and supporting regions with limited IPv6 adoption, RIPE NCC can better manage its resources while fostering global internet connectivity and development. This proposal invites feedback and discussion from the RIPE community to refine and implement effective policies for the equitable distribution of IPv4 addresses in the region. Kind Regards. -- *Sinqerisht / Sincerely,* AlbaHost [image: Logo] <https://www.albahost.net/> Albanian Hosting SH.P.K. Besim Beka p.n. 50000 Gjakovë, Kosovë. NIPT/VAT ID: 811442657 T: +386900501502 E: info@albahost.net W*: *wWw.AlbaHost.Net <http://www.albahost.net/> [image: Facebook icon] <https://www.facebook.com/albanianhosting> [image: Twitter icon] <https://twitter.com/albahost> [image: Instagram icon] <https://www.instagram.com/albahost_vpn/> [image: Banner] Përmbajtja e këtij emaili është konfidenciale dhe ka për qëllim marrësin e specifikuar vetëm në mesazh. Ndalohet rreptësisht shpërndarja e ndonjë pjese të këtij mesazhi me ndonjë palë të tretë, pa pëlqimin me shkrim të dërguesit. Nëse e keni marrë këtë mesazh gabimisht, ju lutemi përgjigjuni këtij mesazhi dhe ndiqni me fshirjen e tij, në mënyrë që të sigurohemi që një gabim i tillë të mos ndodhë në të ardhmen. The content of this email is confidential and intended for the recipient specified in message only. It is strictly forbidden to share any part of this message with any third party, without a written consent of the sender. If you received this message by mistake, please reply to this message and follow with its deletion, so that we can ensure such a mistake does not occur in the future.
Hi, On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 08:34:31PM +0200, AlbaHost SH.P.K via address-policy-wg wrote:
Limiting Membership and Allocating IPv4 Subnets in Less Developed Countries.
Background: The Regional Internet Registry (RIR) for Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia, RIPE NCC, faces challenges in managing the allocation of IPv4 addresses due to exhaustion of available IPv4 address space globally. This proposal aims to address these challenges by implementing limits on membership per entity and providing special considerations for less developed countries where IPv6 adoption is still low.
We're in the RIPE region, so we cannot do policy-making for the other regions (there are global policies, but since this would affect address distribution by the RIPE NCC, it's not a global policy). So, in the RIPE service region, which countries would qualify as "less developed countries"? By which metric? [..]
Allocation of IPv4 Subnets in Less Developed Countries: - Recognizing the challenges faced by less developed countries where IPv6 adoption is still minimal, RIPE NCC will allocate more than one /24 subnet to eligible entities in such regions. - This special consideration aims to support the growth and development of internet infrastructure in these countries, allowing them to meet their addressing needs while transitioning to IPv6 gradually.
Since there are not many /24s available, and the waiting list is long, it's hard to see how this would make a tangible benefit for the not very clearly specified beneficiaries. [..]
Encouraging IPv6 Adoption: While IPv4 addresses are increasingly scarce, encouraging IPv6 adoption remains a priority. However, in less developed countries where IPv6 infrastructure is till underdeveloped, providing additional IPv4 address space can help sustain internet connectivity and services while facilitating a smoother transition to IPv6 in the long term.
How can "you can have more IPv4 space" encourage IPv6 deployment? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Ingo Lalla, Karin Schuler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hello Gert,
So, in the RIPE service region, which countries would qualify as "less developed countries"? By which metric?
Determining which countries qualify as "less/least developed countries" within the RIPE service region is indeed a crucial aspect of this proposal. Typically, metrics such as GDP per capital, internet penetration rates, and infrastructure development could be considered to identify these countries.
Since there are not many /24s available, and the waiting list is long, it's hard to see how this would make a tangible benefit for the not very clearly specified beneficiaries
I am late but not too late with such restrictions about two membership per entitiy, since this should be implemented long time ago, if you check the allocations: https://rex.apnic.net/resources?rir=ripencc you will see an entity with more than 20 multilir accounts hoarding the IPv4 space, for only purpose to lease them out and not using them for theirself! And as such, that's why we have that long waiting list. I do believe that there is still time in which we can prevent it.
How can "you can have more IPv4 space" encourage IPv6 deployment?
If you have read my proposal carefully i said: This special consideration aims to support the growth and development of internet infrastructure in these countries, allowing them to meet their addressing needs while transitioning to IPv6 gradually due to their old/infrastructure... Cheers. On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 10:22 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
Limiting Membership and Allocating IPv4 Subnets in Less Developed Countries.
Background: The Regional Internet Registry (RIR) for Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia, RIPE NCC, faces challenges in managing
On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 08:34:31PM +0200, AlbaHost SH.P.K via address-policy-wg wrote: the
allocation of IPv4 addresses due to exhaustion of available IPv4 address space globally. This proposal aims to address these challenges by implementing limits on membership per entity and providing special considerations for less developed countries where IPv6 adoption is still low.
We're in the RIPE region, so we cannot do policy-making for the other regions (there are global policies, but since this would affect address distribution by the RIPE NCC, it's not a global policy).
So, in the RIPE service region, which countries would qualify as "less developed countries"? By which metric?
[..]
Allocation of IPv4 Subnets in Less Developed Countries: - Recognizing the challenges faced by less developed countries where IPv6 adoption is still minimal, RIPE NCC will allocate more than one /24 subnet to eligible entities in such regions. - This special consideration aims to support the growth and development of internet infrastructure in these countries, allowing them to meet their addressing needs while transitioning to IPv6 gradually.
Since there are not many /24s available, and the waiting list is long, it's hard to see how this would make a tangible benefit for the not very clearly specified beneficiaries.
[..]
Encouraging IPv6 Adoption: While IPv4 addresses are increasingly scarce, encouraging IPv6 adoption remains a priority. However, in less developed countries where IPv6 infrastructure is till underdeveloped, providing additional IPv4 address space can help sustain internet connectivity and services while facilitating a smoother transition to IPv6 in the long term.
How can "you can have more IPv4 space" encourage IPv6 deployment?
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Ingo Lalla, Karin Schuler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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Hi, Thanks for raising an interesting policy discussion. On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 at 13:46, AlbaHost SH.P.K via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: [...]
Since there are not many /24s available, and the waiting list is long, it's hard to see how this would make a tangible benefit for the not very clearly specified beneficiaries
I am late but not too late with such restrictions about two membership per entitiy, since this should be implemented long time ago, if you check the allocations: https://rex.apnic.net/resources?rir=ripencc you will see an entity with more than 20 multilir accounts hoarding the IPv4 space, for only purpose to lease them out and not using them for theirself! And as such, that's why we have that long waiting list. I do believe that there is still time in which we can prevent it.
A proposal for a policy that meets the needs of a specific and well defined group is within this working group's remit. But membership rules are governed by the RIPE NCC's membership. If you're a member, you could take that element of your proposal to the Membership Discussion list: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists/members-discuss/ Kind regards, Leo Vegoda for the co-chairs
Hi, On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 10:46:07PM +0200, AlbaHost SH.P.K wrote:
So, in the RIPE service region, which countries would qualify as "less developed countries"? By which metric?
Determining which countries qualify as "less/least developed countries" within the RIPE service region is indeed a crucial aspect of this proposal. Typically, metrics such as GDP per capital, internet penetration rates, and infrastructure development could be considered to identify these countries.
Indeed, but this would need to be spelled out in the proposal. In other places you state "less developed countries" referring to IPv6 rollout - which is a totally different metric than GDP (Italy comes to mind).
Since there are not many /24s available, and the waiting list is long, it's hard to see how this would make a tangible benefit for the not very clearly specified beneficiaries
I am late but not too late with such restrictions about two membership per entitiy, since this should be implemented long time ago, if you check the allocations: https://rex.apnic.net/resources?rir=ripencc you will see an entity with more than 20 multilir accounts hoarding the IPv4 space, for only purpose to lease them out and not using them for theirself! And as such, that's why we have that long waiting list. I do believe that there is still time in which we can prevent it.
How can we prevent something that happened 5+ years ago? The space is gone, and implementing something now will not get it back (existing members will consolidate their LIR accounts, not "close and return the space").
How can "you can have more IPv4 space" encourage IPv6 deployment?
If you have read my proposal carefully i said: This special consideration aims to support the growth and development of internet infrastructure in these countries, allowing them to meet their addressing needs while transitioning to IPv6 gradually due to their old/infrastructure...
I am listening. Folks that do not have IPv4 yet won't have "old infrastructure that can not do IPv6" - and those that do have IPv4 and old infrastructure (how old can it be? Cisco's IOS added IPv4 in 1997!) will not be subject to "can have more address space". Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Ingo Lalla, Karin Schuler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Moin,
2. Allocation of IPv4 Subnets in Less Developed Countries:Recognizing the challenges faced by less developed countries where IPv6 adoption is still minimal, RIPE NCC will allocate more than one /24 subnet to eligible entities in such regions.This special consideration aims to support the growth and development of internet infrastructure in these countries, allowing them to meet their addressing needs while transitioning to IPv6 gradually.
In Germany, we have the wonderful word "Briefkastenfirmenkonstrukt". Which essentially means "construct of shell companies". I would argue that the policy proposal at hand is just an encouragement for companies with the necessary cash reserve to 'buy a couple of shell companies' to get some in eligible economies. Likely quicker and just _more_ than any existing or organic player in that market. Thereby, the proposal would worsen the situation considerably, going directly counter the rationale presented. With best regards, Tobias -- Dr.-Ing. Tobias Fiebig T +31 616 80 98 99 M tobias@fiebig.nl
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AlbaHost SH.P.K -
Gert Doering -
Leo Vegoda -
Tobias Fiebig