New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers in the RIPE NCC Service Region
Dear colleagues, Now that the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8, some Local Internet Registries (LIRs) are choosing to obtain additional address space from other organisations via the emerging transfer market. In this new article on RIPE Labs we examine statistics from the last two and a half years of transfers and visualise per country aggregates on a map: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/ipv4-transfers-in-the-ripe-ncc-service... Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC
Hello Mirjam, Someone made a comment on this article from the RIPE Labs. The guy said: "He has earned more than 4millions USD for selling his IPs." I am just speechless.. if its true. -- Best regards, Gabriel Voitis
See, we can not win this games. Let’s stop wasting energy and resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair, and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability of IP addresses. 4m is nice, though. Should be above average...
On 7 May 2015, at 20:04, Infinity Telecom SRL <ip@infinitytelecom.ro> wrote:
Hello Mirjam,
Someone made a comment on this article from the RIPE Labs.
The guy said: "He has earned more than 4millions USD for selling his IPs."
I am just speechless.. if its true.
-- Best regards, Gabriel Voitis
* Dan Lüdtke <mail@danrl.de> [2015-05-08 11:33]:
See, we can not win this games. Let’s stop wasting energy and resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair, and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability of IP addresses.
Dan, if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come. Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4 it will still be around for some time. Regards Sebastian -- GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE. -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
Three years and one day ago, I wrote on this very list: "...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes, let's break IPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or even good engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a broken internet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 might lead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know it today. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet is going to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so why screw it up for new entrants?..." Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money on IPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference. Remco (no hats) On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org> wrote:
* Dan Lüdtke <mail@danrl.de> [2015-05-08 11:33]:
See, we can not win this games. Let’s stop wasting energy and resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair, and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability of IP addresses.
Dan,
if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.
Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4 it will still be around for some time.
Regards
Sebastian
-- GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE. -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
+1 Best, -M< On May 8, 2015, at 9:40 AM, remco van mook <remco.vanmook@gmail.com<mailto:remco.vanmook@gmail.com>> wrote: Three years and one day ago, I wrote on this very list: "...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes, let's break IPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or even good engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a broken internet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 might lead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know it today. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet is going to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so why screw it up for new entrants?..." Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money on IPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference. Remco (no hats) On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org<mailto:sebastian@karotte.org>> wrote: * Dan Lüdtke <mail@danrl.de<mailto:mail@danrl.de>> [2015-05-08 11:33]:
See, we can not win this games. Let’s stop wasting energy and resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair, and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability of IP addresses.
Dan, if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come. Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4 it will still be around for some time. Regards Sebastian -- GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE. -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
"...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes, let's break IPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or even good engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a broken internet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 might lead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know it today. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet is going to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so why screw it up for new entrants?..."
Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money on IPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference.
bingo. we need to cut the religious zeal crap and remember we have paying customers who want us to move their packets. and many of those packets will be ipv4 for an embarrassingly long time. we may or may not like it, but it's reality; get over it. [ insert repeat of the reasons for the final /8 policy ] randy, sho works at an isp which deployed ipv6 commercially in 1997
agree. John Springer On Fri, 8 May 2015, remco van mook wrote:
Three years and one day ago, I wrote on this very list:
"...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes, let's break IPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or even good engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a broken internet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 might lead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know it today. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet is going to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so why screw it up for new entrants?..."
Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money on IPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference.
Remco
(no hats)
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org> wrote: * Dan L?dtke <mail@danrl.de> [2015-05-08 11:33]: > See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy and > resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a > bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair, > and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to > push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability > of IP addresses.
Dan,
if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.
Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4 it will still be around for some time.
Regards
Sebastian
-- GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE. -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
+1 On 05/08/2015 03:40 PM, remco van mook wrote:
Three years and one day ago, I wrote on this very list:
"...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes, let's break IPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or even good engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a broken internet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 might lead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know it today. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet is going to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so why screw it up for new entrants?..."
Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money on IPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference.
Remco
(no hats)
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org <mailto:sebastian@karotte.org>> wrote:
* Dan Lüdtke <mail@danrl.de <mailto:mail@danrl.de>> [2015-05-08 11:33]: > See, we can not win this games. Let’s stop wasting energy and > resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a > bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair, > and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to > push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability > of IP addresses.
Dan,
if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.
Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4 it will still be around for some time.
Regards
Sebastian
-- GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE. -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
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If there was a magical wand that we could wave to make every ISP switch on IPv6 the problems with IPv4 pricing etc., would vanish. Unfortunately it doesn’t exist. Pushing IPv6 adoption is commendable, but we have to be realistic. IPv4 won’t vanish anytime soon. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social Random Stuff: http://www.michele.irish/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 08/05/2015 12:54, "Sebastian Wiesinger" <sebastian@karotte.org> wrote:
* Dan Lüdtke <mail@danrl.de> [2015-05-08 11:33]:
See, we can not win this games. Let’s stop wasting energy and resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair, and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability of IP addresses.
Dan,
if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.
Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4 it will still be around for some time.
Regards
Sebastian
-- GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE. -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
participants (10)
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Dan Lüdtke -
Hannigan, Martin -
Infinity Telecom SRL -
jan hugo prins -
John Springer -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Mirjam Kuehne -
Randy Bush -
remco van mook -
Sebastian Wiesinger