Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail. -- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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On 12/06/2016 16:08, Alexander Koeppe wrote:
This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. Sure, but how ?
The only valuable idea I fetched, if it is only possible, is to make a united RIR team (RIPE & ARIN, at least), and try to convince Google, Yahoo and microsoft to priorize v6-reachable web site (with a real priority), like google did for TLS, if I recall That would probably motive the hosting world in this issue, making v6-only ISP viable
It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail.
-- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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Well, Google's and Microsoft's systems are already reachable via IPv6, and systems do prefer making a connection over IPv6 where possible. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969<tel:08750969>. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:35, Jack <noc@kwaoo.net<mailto:noc@kwaoo.net>> wrote: On 12/06/2016 16:08, Alexander Koeppe wrote: This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. Sure, but how ? The only valuable idea I fetched, if it is only possible, is to make a united RIR team (RIPE & ARIN, at least), and try to convince Google, Yahoo and microsoft to priorize v6-reachable web site (with a real priority), like google did for TLS, if I recall That would probably motive the hosting world in this issue, making v6-only ISP viable It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail. -- Alex Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>>: Hi, On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it. The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 <totemomail_info.html> This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachment from your system. Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany and any of its subsidiaries do not accept liability for any omissions or errors in this message which may arise as a result of E-Mail-transmission or for damages resulting from any unauthorized changes of the content of this message and any attachment thereto. Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany and any of its subsidiaries do not guarantee that this message is free of viruses and does not accept liability for any damages caused by any virus transmitted therewith. Click http://www.merckgroup.com/disclaimer to access the German, French, Spanish and Portuguese versions of this disclaimer. -- Jack Kwaoo noc More details about KWAOO can be found at: https://as24904.kwaoo.net/
I agree. The framework is there. Now up to each and every of us. I'm working for an enterprise and our approach starting at the outside and moving towards inside works quite well for us. Of course we're far from being finished. But for what's critical we're good for now. For a internet service provider I'd guess it goes the other way round. There is no master plan as each entity is different. But keeping the steps small and doable w/o losing the focus of the goal was always a successful way, at least for me. Every internet depending businesses like hosting providers or service providers that still ignore v6 today will get the bill sooner or later. -- Alex Am 12.06.2016 um 16:38 schrieb Dominik Nowacki <dominik@clouvider.co.uk<mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk>>: Well, Google's and Microsoft's systems are already reachable via IPv6, and systems do prefer making a connection over IPv6 where possible. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969<tel:08750969>. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachment from your system. Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany and any of its subsidiaries do not accept liability for any omissions or errors in this message which may arise as a result of E-Mail-transmission or for damages resulting from any unauthorized changes of the content of this message and any attachment thereto. Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany and any of its subsidiaries do not guarantee that this message is free of viruses and does not accept liability for any damages caused by any virus transmitted therewith. Click http://www.merckgroup.com/disclaimer to access the German, French, Spanish and Portuguese versions of this disclaimer.
Great idea. Doesn't Google also do that with not responsive, handy unfriendly websites? Silvia -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Jack Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Juni 2016 16:35 An: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space On 12/06/2016 16:08, Alexander Koeppe wrote:
This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. Sure, but how ?
The only valuable idea I fetched, if it is only possible, is to make a united RIR team (RIPE & ARIN, at least), and try to convince Google, Yahoo and microsoft to priorize v6-reachable web site (with a real priority), like google did for TLS, if I recall That would probably motive the hosting world in this issue, making v6-only ISP viable
It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail.
-- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility. Regards, Arash -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail. -- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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Where exactly it is not possible? On 06/12/16 17:39, Arash Naderpour wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Regards,
Arash
-----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail.
-- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it. The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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Not available ? Please name a global carrier that does not support IPv6. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969<tel:08750969>. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:40, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com<mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote: And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility. Regards, Arash -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net<mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail. -- Alex Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>>: Hi, On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it. The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 <totemomail_info.html> This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachment from your system. Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany and any of its subsidiaries do not accept liability for any omissions or errors in this message which may arise as a result of E-Mail-transmission or for damages resulting from any unauthorized changes of the content of this message and any attachment thereto. Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany and any of its subsidiaries do not guarantee that this message is free of viruses and does not accept liability for any damages caused by any virus transmitted therewith. Click http://www.merckgroup.com/disclaimer to access the German, French, Spanish and Portuguese versions of this disclaimer.
I was not talking about a global carrier and if they can provide IPv6 or not, It was about availability and possibilities to have IPv6 connectivity everywhere. There are two different subject. Arash From: Dominik Nowacki [mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:42 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: Alexander Koeppe <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com>; address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space Not available ? Please name a global carrier that does not support IPv6. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969 <tel:08750969> . Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse@clouvider.net <mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:40, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > wrote: And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility. Regards, Arash -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail. -- Alex Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net <mailto:gert@space.net> >: Hi, On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it. The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 <totemomail_info.html> This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message and any attachment from your system. Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany and any of its subsidiaries do not accept liability for any omissions or errors in this message which may arise as a result of E-Mail-transmission or for damages resulting from any unauthorized changes of the content of this message and any attachment thereto. Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany and any of its subsidiaries do not guarantee that this message is free of viruses and does not accept liability for any damages caused by any virus transmitted therewith. Click http://www.merckgroup.com/disclaimer to access the German, French, Spanish and Portuguese versions of this disclaimer.
Global carriers provide that connectivity. What's the problem? On 06/12/16 18:08, Arash Naderpour wrote:
I was not talking about a global carrier and if they can provide IPv6 or not, It was about availability and possibilities to have IPv6 connectivity everywhere. There are two different subject.
Arash
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Not available ?
Please name a global carrier that does not support IPv6.
With Kind Regards,
Dominik Nowacki
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On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:40, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Regards,
Arash
-----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail.
-- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net <mailto:gert@space.net>>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote:
About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives
IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to
make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering
-- NetMaster
--
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers. There is no possibility to have a direct peering with a global carrier and as a result no native IPv6 connectivity yet. there is also no IXP in the country. As I said it is not about the difficulty of deploying IPv6, when it is not lawful and is not available to ISPs they have to stick with IPv4. Please refer to ripe ncc lab report and see some IPv4 import figures <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/developments-in-ipv4-transfers> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/developments-in-ipv4-transfers Arash P.S last month they started advertising of the IPv6 blocks but no plan to provide a service to ISPs as yet. From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 1:10 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space Global carriers provide that connectivity. What's the problem? On 06/12/16 18:08, Arash Naderpour wrote: I was not talking about a global carrier and if they can provide IPv6 or not, It was about availability and possibilities to have IPv6 connectivity everywhere. There are two different subject. Arash From: Dominik Nowacki [mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:42 AM To: Arash Naderpour <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: Alexander Koeppe <mailto:Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com> <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com>; address-policy-wg@ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space Not available ? 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Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:40, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > wrote: And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility. Regards, Arash -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail. -- Alex Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net <mailto:gert@space.net> >: Hi, On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it. The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 <totemomail_info.html> This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers.
You may talk to your exit points (and government if applicable) and tell them there is no IPv4 anymore and they have to enable IPv6 to allow you (and your country) to make business and grow.
Before talking about Iran, we may want to cleanup our area (RIPE's) According to https://www.google.fr/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption&tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption: 12% IPv6 in UK 11% in France 23% in Germany Work to do there; On 12/06/2016 17:56, Denis Fondras wrote:
As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers.
You may talk to your exit points (and government if applicable) and tell them there is no IPv4 anymore and they have to enable IPv6 to allow you (and your country) to make business and grow.
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On Sun, Jun 12, 2016, at 17:56, Denis Fondras wrote:
You may talk to your exit points (and government if applicable) and tell them there is no IPv4 anymore and they have to enable IPv6 to allow you (and your country) to make business and grow.
You may also ask the french fiscal administration to have their on-line declaration website dual-stacked. But you do know things don't work this way. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN fr.ccs
In the worst case, you could also setup a tunnel to another upstream provider, even with BGP, such as HE. It may be not optimal, but better than having not IPv6 at all, right ? Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> en nombre de Denis Fondras <ripe@liopen.fr> Responder a: <ripe@liopen.fr> Fecha: domingo, 12 de junio de 2016, 17:56 Para: <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers.
You may talk to your exit points (and government if applicable) and tell them there is no IPv4 anymore and they have to enable IPv6 to allow you (and your country) to make business and grow.
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On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:30, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers.
There is no possibility to have a direct peering with a global carrier and as a result no native IPv6 connectivity yet. there is also no IXP in the country.
Well that lack of IPv6 appears to be a major gap in the market and a worthwhile business opportunity with huge growth potential. So is the lack of an in-country IXP. IMO it’s up to the Iranian Internet community to tackle these issues and make the most of these business opporrtunities. It is probably inappropriate for this WG to discuss how to exploit these gaps. They can’t really be helped (or hindered) by RIPE address policy anyway. Mind you if anyone is minded to set up an IXP in Iran, they will have to move quickly if they need/want some IPv4 from the NCC for local interconnect and peering. PS: Apologies for a meaningful and relevant Subject: header.
Of course strongly governmentally controlled countries (governments use to have less people understanding how the internet works) doesn't make that easier. And as you pointed out, a few seem to understand. But because transit is lacking v6 at the moment, that cannot be the reason not making up the network for dual stack. One day the few voices in become more and the transit issue will be gone, and you're just a few steps away setting your services to production. Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 12.06.2016 um 17:30 schrieb Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com<mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>>: As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers. There is no possibility to have a direct peering with a global carrier and as a result no native IPv6 connectivity yet. there is also no IXP in the country. As I said it is not about the difficulty of deploying IPv6, when it is not lawful and is not available to ISPs they have to stick with IPv4. Please refer to ripe ncc lab report and see some IPv4 import figures https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/developments-in-ipv4-transfers Arash P.S last month they started advertising of the IPv6 blocks but no plan to provide a service to ISPs as yet. From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 1:10 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net<mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space Global carriers provide that connectivity. What's the problem? On 06/12/16 18:08, Arash Naderpour wrote: I was not talking about a global carrier and if they can provide IPv6 or not, It was about availability and possibilities to have IPv6 connectivity everywhere. There are two different subject. Arash From: Dominik Nowacki [mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:42 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com><mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: Alexander Koeppe <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com><mailto:Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com>; address-policy-wg@ripe.net<mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space Not available ? Please name a global carrier that does not support IPv6. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969<tel:08750969>. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. 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On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:40, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com<mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote: And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility. Regards, Arash -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net<mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail. -- Alex Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>>: Hi, On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it. The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 <totemomail_info.html> This message and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the contents to any other person. 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How we could help the government and their organizations to: 1) Understand the need 2) Deploy it at their organizations If you have the right contacts, I will be happy to help. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> en nombre de Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Responder a: <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Fecha: domingo, 12 de junio de 2016, 17:30 Para: 'Sergey' <gforgx@fotontel.ru>, <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers.
There is no possibility to have a direct peering with a global carrier and as a result no native IPv6 connectivity yet. there is also no IXP in the country.
As I said it is not about the difficulty of deploying IPv6, when it is not lawful and is not available to ISPs they have to stick with IPv4. Please refer to ripe ncc lab report and see some IPv4 import figures https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/developments-in-ipv4-transfers
Arash
P.S last month they started advertising of the IPv6 blocks but no plan to provide a service to ISPs as yet.
From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 1:10 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
Global carriers provide that connectivity. What's the problem? On 06/12/16 18:08, Arash Naderpour wrote:
I was not talking about a global carrier and if they can provide IPv6 or not, It was about availability and possibilities to have IPv6 connectivity everywhere. There are two different subject.
Arash
From: Dominik Nowacki [mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:42 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: Alexander Koeppe <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com> <mailto:Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com>; address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
Not available ?
Please name a global carrier that does not support IPv6. With Kind Regards,
Dominik Nowacki
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On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:40, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Regards,
Arash
-----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail.
-- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote:
About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives
IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to
make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering
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have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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Hi Arash,
As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers.
If your government is making your work impossible there is little the rest of the world can do about it. The world is out of free IPv4 space. The space that is reserved is for new entrants that need a tiny bit to connect to the old IPv4-only world. The days of running networks on only IPv4 are over. Everybody needs more addresses, and IPv6 is the only protocol that can provide them, so everybody needs to move. Including your government. I am sorry. I understand that your personal/business situation sucks in regard to this, but your government is the only one who can fix this :( Cheers, Sander
Agree, Almost in Russia, very big country with a lot of ISPs - I can't find any big home ISP who gives IPv6 by default. Most of ISPs get there Ipv6 blocks and play with it. But it's not so good for customers. ISPs prefer still to get IPv4 blocks in additional to the space they have but not to switch to IPv6. IPv6 will grow very slow in additional with IPv4. So those protocols will live together for long-long time and we need to spend some time for IPv4 as well. Yuri On 12.06.2016 18:30, Arash Naderpour wrote:
As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers.
There is no possibility to have a direct peering with a global carrier and as a result no native IPv6 connectivity yet. there is also no IXP in the country.
As I said it is not about the difficulty of deploying IPv6, when it is not lawful and is not available to ISPs they have to stick with IPv4. Please refer to ripe ncc lab report and see some IPv4 import figures https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/developments-in-ipv4-transfers
Arash
P.S last month they started advertising of the IPv6 blocks but no plan to provide a service to ISPs as yet.
*From:*address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Sergey *Sent:* Monday, 13 June 2016 1:10 AM *To:* address-policy-wg@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
Global carriers provide that connectivity. What's the problem?
On 06/12/16 18:08, Arash Naderpour wrote:
I was not talking about a global carrier and if they can provide IPv6 or not, It was about availability and possibilities to have IPv6 connectivity everywhere. There are two different subject.
Arash
*From:*Dominik Nowacki [mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk] *Sent:* Monday, 13 June 2016 12:42 AM *To:* Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> *Cc:* Alexander Koeppe <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com> <mailto:Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com>; address-policy-wg@ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
Not available ?
Please name a global carrier that does not support IPv6.
With Kind Regards,
Dominik Nowacki
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On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:40, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Regards,
Arash
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I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail.
-- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net <mailto:gert@space.net>>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote:
About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives
IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to
make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering
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You have already been pointed at: https://version6.ru/isp. My, perhaps too optimistic prognosis, is that we'll have IPv6 as a mainstream IP protocol by 2018. The figures of the current growth make me believe in this. On 06/13/16 20:04, NTX NOC wrote:
Agree,
Almost in Russia, very big country with a lot of ISPs - I can't find any big home ISP who gives IPv6 by default. Most of ISPs get there Ipv6 blocks and play with it. But it's not so good for customers. ISPs prefer still to get IPv4 blocks in additional to the space they have but not to switch to IPv6.
IPv6 will grow very slow in additional with IPv4. So those protocols will live together for long-long time and we need to spend some time for IPv4 as well.
Yuri
On 12.06.2016 18:30, Arash Naderpour wrote:
As an example in Iran there is only one exit point (AS12880 and AS48159 belongs to one organization) from country to global carriers controlled by government and as they have no LI platform yet on IPv6 there is simply no IPv6 service availability or possibility for Iranian service providers.
There is no possibility to have a direct peering with a global carrier and as a result no native IPv6 connectivity yet. there is also no IXP in the country.
As I said it is not about the difficulty of deploying IPv6, when it is not lawful and is not available to ISPs they have to stick with IPv4. Please refer to ripe ncc lab report and see some IPv4 import figures https://labs.ripe.net/Members/wilhelm/developments-in-ipv4-transfers
Arash
P.S last month they started advertising of the IPv6 blocks but no plan to provide a service to ISPs as yet.
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Global carriers provide that connectivity. What's the problem?
On 06/12/16 18:08, Arash Naderpour wrote:
I was not talking about a global carrier and if they can provide IPv6 or not, It was about availability and possibilities to have IPv6 connectivity everywhere. There are two different subject.
Arash
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Not available ?
Please name a global carrier that does not support IPv6.
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On 12 Jun 2016, at 16:40, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com>> wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Regards,
Arash
-----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail.
-- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net <mailto:gert@space.net>>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote:
About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives
IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to
make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering
-- NetMaster
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Well, there where difficulties 5 years ago, when you said "Let's go, deploy IPv6 !" So, 5 years ago, you failed going beyond these difficulties But today, you fixed them, whatever they were (hardware ? network design ? you worked on this issue) So, the problem is gone by now. Can't believe you did nothing about that issue :) On 12/06/2016 16:39, Arash Naderpour wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Regards,
Arash
-----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alexander Koeppe Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 12:09 AM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
I don't understand how much time and energy is being put into the discussion about keeping vintage IP alive. This time and energy would be better off spent in just deploying v6. It's just not that difficult. You just need to develop a stepwise approach. A one-shot would probably fail.
-- Alex
Am 11.06.2016 um 22:35 schrieb Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:14:11PM +0300, NTX NOC wrote: About IPv6 - still now in Russia there are no Home ISPs who gives IPv6 by default to customers. Nobody wants it, nobody needs it.
The "nobody needs it" is a misconception. Direct your energy there to make people understand that IPv4 is game over.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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On Sun, Jun 12, 2016, at 16:44, Jack wrote:
But today, you fixed them, whatever they were (hardware ? network design ? you worked on this issue)
You just failed to mention the 2 most important: - management - money Unless you manage to bring in money by using IPv6 and *NOT* IPv4, it remains either a "submarine project" or an explicit NO-GO. For me, I'm pretty happy to get to the point where I am : services started "from scratch" during the last 3 years are IPv6 "active by default" (unless the client decides to go IPv6-only). I may even get a chance to go beyond the "one-man show" and convince the rest of the operations-team to think IPv6 (en enforce it wherever possible). But the problem remains with the money-making services, which is basically "IPv4-based access" (a.k.a. no IPv4 = no money in). A state where "no IPv6 = no money in" seems to be light-years away. If I want to keep deploying IPv6 I *must* be effective enough so that it doesn't "take up valuable work time" (read time spent on v4-ony stuff).
So, the problem is gone by now.
???? (see above) So yes, some people may have explicit no-go for IPv6 deployment. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN fr.ccs
Radu-Adrian, On Jun 12, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN <ripe-wgs@radu-adrian.feurdean.net> wrote:
Unless you manage to bring in money by using IPv6 and *NOT* IPv4, it remains either a "submarine project" or an explicit NO-GO.
In most businesses, there are two (non-exclusive) ways to get traction on doing pretty much anything: 1) it generates more revenue. 2) it reduces costs. It is and always has been a bit unlikely that IPv6 will ever generate more revenue -- the vast majority of customers do not and should not care about something as esoteric as the particular bit layouts at an intermediate layer of the network. As such, you're left with #2. Until relatively recently, it was difficult to make the case for #2, however one nice thing about markets is that they can provide explicit signals that help businesses decide. While there were free pools, the RIR system masked those signals, ironically making it harder for businesses to see the need to migrate to IPv6. We've mostly solved that problem, and the spot price for obtaining IPv4 addresses and/or the costs associated with CGN are now a direct and obvious cost network service providers will need to account for and (likely) pass on to their customers. My view is that forward-looking network service providers will likely try to reduce those costs by minimizing the use of IPv4 where possible, migrating their internal infrastructure to IPv6 and selling a native IPv6/CGN'd IPv4 solution by default, having non-CGN'd IPv4 as an extra cost option (at least for new customers and increasingly, old customers when their contracts renew). Now that most ISP network gear supports IPv6, the first part of that would make sense regardless of the regulatory environment. Regards, -drc (speaking only for myself)
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016, at 23:22, David Conrad wrote:
Radu-Adrian,
On Jun 12, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN <ripe-wgs@radu-adrian.feurdean.net> wrote:
Unless you manage to bring in money by using IPv6 and *NOT* IPv4, it remains either a "submarine project" or an explicit NO-GO.
In most businesses, there are two (non-exclusive) ways to get traction on doing pretty much anything:
1) it generates more revenue. 2) it reduces costs.
David, For the moment neither of those applies to IPv6 deployments. Cost reductions only applies to a limited number of players (those for which a 25% reduction in v4 traffic does end up in cost reduction, which implies a certain size).
more revenue -- the vast majority of customers do not and should not care about something as esoteric as the particular bit layouts at an
At some point, some categories of customers will have to start caring about this if we want to move forward. Especially those that need "port redirections to access the 2-3 devices in their office".
one nice thing about markets is that they can provide explicit signals that help businesses decide. While there were free pools, the RIR system masked those signals, ironically making it harder for businesses to see
For the moment it's old big players that mask those signals : "$incumbent does provide us a /28 (or a /27). If you can't do the same, we will not buy the service from you". As long as this is only one random customer/prospect, you may be able to deal with it (let it stay with the incumbent or provide it the block needed). When you have lots of them, you have a problem. It's THEM that have to start caring about IPv6.
CGN are now a direct and obvious cost network service providers will need to account for and (likely) pass on to their customers.
When you go from ZERO to something (CGN-wise) you don't do any cost reduction.
migrating their internal infrastructure to IPv6 and selling a native IPv6/CGN'd IPv4 solution by default, having non-CGN'd IPv4 as an extra cost option (at least for new customers and increasingly,
As explained above, as of today no IPv4 = no business. I am willing to wait for the things to change, but in the meantime it's IPv6 that is under life support (that I have to provide alone).
old customers when their contracts renew).
Today, this is more painful for them than switching to another provider that does provide them with the needed IPv4 space. Those providers DO exist.
Now that most ISP network gear supports IPv6, the first part of that would make sense regardless of the regulatory environment.
This pretty much looks like "lab in production". usually it's not very well seen. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN fr.ccs
Hi, On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:39:59AM +1000, Arash Naderpour wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Work with your regulator to *make* it possible - like the rest of the world has. It might take a while, but "not doing anything and complaining that IPv4 has run out" is not the right approach. (You *should* have started to work with your regulator 10+ years ago, it's not like this is coming as a surprise) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016, at 19:42, Gert Doering wrote:
Work with your regulator to *make* it possible - like the rest of the world has.
I don't think that we (most people on this list) have IPv6 because the local regulator allowed us to. On the contrary, I think *our* regulator doesn't care very much (if at all) about this - it just doesn't force us to use IPv4 (like some others do). There are more than 50 regulators in the RIPE area, and not all of them do a job the we could consider "good". -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN fr.ccs
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