Re: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy
Hi Martin, If you look at the text, would the LIR who assigned IP space to their own infra-structure not also be an End-User ? In the past, the LIR would describe IP space for themselves as Infra or INFRA-AW, but still give it the status Assigned PA. Something along the lines of this example : https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/lookup?source=ripe&key=178.249.152.0%20-%20178.249.152.127&type=inetnum Regards, Erik Bais From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Martin Tonusoo <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Date: Tuesday 13 November 2018 at 13:42 To: "address-policy-wg@ripe.net" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hello, according to "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region"(ripe-708) document, the "status" attribute value "ASSIGNED PA" has a definition of "This address space has been assigned to an End User for use with services provided by the issuing LIR". As "ASSIGNED PA" should also be used for assignments for LIR own infrastructure, then isn't the definition of "This address space has been assigned to the issuing LIR infrastructure or End User for use with services provided by the issuing LIR." bit more accurate? Best regards, Martin Tonusoo IP Network Engineer -------------------------- CITIC Telecom CPC www.citictel-cpc.com -------------------------- Direct: +372 622 3321 NOC 24/7: +372 622 3300 NOC 24/7: +7 495 9815670
Hi Erik, sorry for the late reply.
If you look at the text, would the LIR who assigned IP space to their own infra-structure not also be an End-User ?
I guess this depends on the definition of the "End User". Simply stating that in the "ASSIGNED PA" definition would make this in my opinion less ambiguous. Best regards, Martin Tonusoo IP Network Engineer -------------------------- CITIC Telecom CPC www.citictel-cpc.com -------------------------- Direct: +372 622 3321 NOC 24/7: +372 622 3300 NOC 24/7: +7 495 9815670 From: "Erik Bais" <ebais@a2b-internet.com> To: "Martin Tonusoo" <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Cc: "address-policy-wg" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 1:33:13 PM Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hi Martin, If you look at the text, would the LIR who assigned IP space to their own infra-structure not also be an End-User ? In the past, the LIR would describe IP space for themselves as Infra or INFRA-AW, but still give it the status Assigned PA. Something along the lines of this example : [ https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/lookup?source=ripe&key=178.249.152.0%20-%20178.249.152.127&type=inetnum | https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/lookup?source=ripe&key=178.249.152.0%20-%20178.249.152.127&type=inetnum ] Regards, Erik Bais From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Martin Tonusoo <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Date: Tuesday 13 November 2018 at 13:42 To: "address-policy-wg@ripe.net" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hello, according to "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region"(ripe-708) document, the "status" attribute value "ASSIGNED PA" has a definition of "This address space has been assigned to an End User for use with services provided by the issuing LIR". As "ASSIGNED PA" should also be used for assignments for LIR own infrastructure, then isn't the definition of "This address space has been assigned to the issuing LIR infrastructure or End User for use with services provided by the issuing LIR." bit more accurate? Best regards, Martin Tonusoo IP Network Engineer -------------------------- CITIC Telecom CPC www.citictel-cpc.com -------------------------- Direct: +372 622 3321 NOC 24/7: +372 622 3300 NOC 24/7: +7 495 9815670
Hi Martin, If you think it would make sense, feel free to submit a policy proposal. Please let Gert and myself know if you want to do that and we or Marco can assist if needed. Regards, Erik Bais Co-chair for the AP-WG From: Martin Tonusoo <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Date: Monday 17 December 2018 at 16:20 To: Erik Bais <ebais@a2b-internet.com> Cc: "address-policy-wg@ripe.net" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hi Erik, sorry for the late reply.
If you look at the text, would the LIR who assigned IP space to their own infra-structure not also be an End-User ?
I guess this depends on the definition of the "End User". Simply stating that in the "ASSIGNED PA" definition would make this in my opinion less ambiguous. Best regards, Martin Tonusoo IP Network Engineer -------------------------- CITIC Telecom CPC www.citictel-cpc.com -------------------------- Direct: +372 622 3321 NOC 24/7: +372 622 3300 NOC 24/7: +7 495 9815670 ________________________________ From: "Erik Bais" <ebais@a2b-internet.com> To: "Martin Tonusoo" <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Cc: "address-policy-wg" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 1:33:13 PM Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hi Martin, If you look at the text, would the LIR who assigned IP space to their own infra-structure not also be an End-User ? In the past, the LIR would describe IP space for themselves as Infra or INFRA-AW, but still give it the status Assigned PA. Something along the lines of this example : https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/lookup?source=ripe&key=178.249.152.0%20-%20178.249.152.127&type=inetnum Regards, Erik Bais From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Martin Tonusoo <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Date: Tuesday 13 November 2018 at 13:42 To: "address-policy-wg@ripe.net" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hello, according to "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region"(ripe-708) document, the "status" attribute value "ASSIGNED PA" has a definition of "This address space has been assigned to an End User for use with services provided by the issuing LIR". As "ASSIGNED PA" should also be used for assignments for LIR own infrastructure, then isn't the definition of "This address space has been assigned to the issuing LIR infrastructure or End User for use with services provided by the issuing LIR." bit more accurate? Best regards, Martin Tonusoo IP Network Engineer -------------------------- CITIC Telecom CPC www.citictel-cpc.com -------------------------- Direct: +372 622 3321 NOC 24/7: +372 622 3300 NOC 24/7: +7 495 9815670
Hi Erik, while it would be a really tiny change, then maybe somebody else finds this useful as well. So I filled in the "Policy Submission Template" and sent it to Address Policy Working Group Chairs. Happy Holidays! Best regards, Martin Tonusoo IP Network Engineer -------------------------- CITIC Telecom CPC www.citictel-cpc.com -------------------------- Direct: +372 622 3321 NOC 24/7: +372 622 3300 NOC 24/7: +7 495 9815670 From: "Erik Bais" <ebais@a2b-internet.com> To: "Martin Tonusoo" <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Cc: "Policy Officer" <pdo@ripe.net>, "address-policy-wg" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net>, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:27:14 PM Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hi Martin, If you think it would make sense, feel free to submit a policy proposal. Please let Gert and myself know if you want to do that and we or Marco can assist if needed. Regards, Erik Bais Co-chair for the AP-WG From: Martin Tonusoo <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Date: Monday 17 December 2018 at 16:20 To: Erik Bais <ebais@a2b-internet.com> Cc: "address-policy-wg@ripe.net" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hi Erik, sorry for the late reply.
If you look at the text, would the LIR who assigned IP space to their own infra-structure not also be an End-User ?
I guess this depends on the definition of the "End User". Simply stating that in the "ASSIGNED PA" definition would make this in my opinion less ambiguous. Best regards, Martin Tonusoo IP Network Engineer -------------------------- CITIC Telecom CPC www.citictel-cpc.com -------------------------- Direct: +372 622 3321 NOC 24/7: +372 622 3300 NOC 24/7: +7 495 9815670 From: "Erik Bais" <ebais@a2b-internet.com> To: "Martin Tonusoo" <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Cc: "address-policy-wg" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 1:33:13 PM Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hi Martin, If you look at the text, would the LIR who assigned IP space to their own infra-structure not also be an End-User ? In the past, the LIR would describe IP space for themselves as Infra or INFRA-AW, but still give it the status Assigned PA. Something along the lines of this example : [ https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/lookup?source=ripe&key=178.249.152.0%20-%20178.249.152.127&type=inetnum | https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/lookup?source=ripe&key=178.249.152.0%20-%20178.249.152.127&type=inetnum ] Regards, Erik Bais From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Martin Tonusoo <martin.tonusoo@citictel-cpc.com> Date: Tuesday 13 November 2018 at 13:42 To: "address-policy-wg@ripe.net" <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [address-policy-wg] definition of "ASSIGNED PA" in IPv4 address allocation and assignment policy Hello, according to "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region"(ripe-708) document, the "status" attribute value "ASSIGNED PA" has a definition of "This address space has been assigned to an End User for use with services provided by the issuing LIR". As "ASSIGNED PA" should also be used for assignments for LIR own infrastructure, then isn't the definition of "This address space has been assigned to the issuing LIR infrastructure or End User for use with services provided by the issuing LIR." bit more accurate? Best regards, Martin Tonusoo IP Network Engineer -------------------------- CITIC Telecom CPC www.citictel-cpc.com -------------------------- Direct: +372 622 3321 NOC 24/7: +372 622 3300 NOC 24/7: +7 495 9815670
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