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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Your message to anti-abuse-wg awaits moderator approval
by Marilson 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

Since I did not receive notification of the censor's decision ... Implicit target has the RIPE. Objective veiled. Hidden aims not reportable. Until Censor the RIPE has. My goal is crystal clear. It is to make everyone transparent as crystals. Marilson From: anti-abuse-wg-owner(a)ripe.net Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 5:08 AM To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Subject: Your message to anti-abuse-wg awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'anti-abuse-wg' with the subject Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/confirm/anti-abuse-wg/2485e1bcdf4336d111b1c9…

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2
by Marilson 05 Jun '17

05 Jun '17

I am impressed and flattered by how you react to the truth. How this bothers all of you and try to turn this type of problem into a case of using inappropriate words. Again you are reacting, or rather retaliating in the presentation of my texts. Look at the various texts on this page. Those that are not mine are with the paragraphs properly separated. Mine are without separation. A purposeful attitude to harm. It's not my native language and with that presentation it gets worse. That's nice. Decide against yourself by making clear what the position of this RIR and this anti-abuse list is. So children, are you rage? Take a little jump until France. The Pasteur Institute has a vaccine. I'm wrong? Well, post again my message ... Marilson From: anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:00 AM To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2 Send anti-abuse-wg mailing list submissions to anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at anti-abuse-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of anti-abuse-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Recent List Discussion (Marilson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 05:07:22 -0300 From: "Marilson" <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com> To: <vgreimann(a)key-systems.net> Cc: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Recent List Discussion Message-ID: <A429A536390344718B8EA173901C67D4@xPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Volker wrote: > Can we tone down the rhetoric and stop accusing each other of criminal > activity (which in itself may be libel and therefore a criminal act). Volker, do as the others do, use a crystal ball instead of trying to guess - "maybe" "if" or, talk to your colleague Ralf Ramm of your KS teamabuse about our message exchange from 14 to 28-08-2015. It's a small example of how the bad ISPs act. See the proof of the crime and see the falsehood and complicity of your teamabuse. And stop guessing or someone can call you an accomplice. > If you have evidence of criminal activities, report them to the > appropriate authorities. I did that. I forwarded a dossier to DIG-DEIC - 4th Precinct - Crimes practiced by Electronic Media - 4dp.dig.deic(a)policiacivil.sp.gov.br reporting misrepresentation, swindle and criminal conspiracy. With evidence. Read again! WITH EVIDENCE. The scammer was born and lives in Brazil. But his accomplice, owner of Hetzner.de, was born and lives in Germany. This one is out of reach. Access the authorities of other countries and see what is the guidance for non-native denouncer. And stop talking nonsense. > Criminals will be convicted. If there is no > conviction, there probably is no crime but only hyperbole. Mamma mia! You've distorted everything. For there to be conviction there must be a crime. If there is no crime, probably there is no conviction. Can a native help us about the word conviction? Hyperbole? Exaggerated statements? For 18 months, 18 MONTHS, I reported a same criminal customer to YOUR COLLEAGUE, with evidence. For each complaint the teamabuse of YOUR COLLEAGUE replied that the IP was suspended. And in the next day the customer of YOUR COLLEAGUE was sending scam with a new IP. I denounced a client by name, Marcos Antonio Hora da Silva, and YOUR COLLEAGUE suspended an IP as if an IP could commit a crime. It is a lot of disrespect, excess of mockery, excess of arrogance, excess of abuse that need to be punished. And the possible punishment is to properly qualify them using the adjectives that best explain their actions. And mass dissemination to the whole world. Hyperbole?! Marilson From: anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:00 AM To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Send anti-abuse-wg mailing list submissions to anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at anti-abuse-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of anti-abuse-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Recent List Discussion (Volker Greimann) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 12:50:03 +0200 From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann(a)key-systems.net> To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Recent List Discussion Message-ID: <940b1104-a1cb-4672-bb8b-b96d649357c1(a)key-systems.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Can we tone down the rhetoric and stop accusing each other of criminal activity (which in itself may be libel and therefore a criminal act). If you have evidence of criminal activities, report them to the appropriate authorities. Criminals will be convicted. If there is no conviction, there probably is no crime but only hyperbole. This has gone far enough. Best, Volker Am 31.05.2017 um 03:12 schrieb Marilson: > Brian, > Please read this very carefully. There is no place on the World for > people like you and your criminal partners, ISP owner. > This is a list to discuss how to protect network abuse. > Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are > not acting in the spirit of the Europe community nor are you providing > useful content for good people, for honest people. Neither you nor the > other members of the Pro-Abuse Working Group of R.O.T.T.E.N., ex-RIPE, > with rare exceptions. > I do not wish to have to take further action, ahhh I want to, and this > email should be taken as a warning that if you continue to act as you > have done until today, that action will be taken. You will have to > explain why you are scandalized by words like bullshit - Nazi - > criminal, but tolerate Nazi and criminal behavior of customer. Oh > yeah, you're not police and customer behavior is not your > responsibility, right? Nor reporting crimes is your responsibility, > right? Your arguments do not hold. In the face of the gravity of the > acts, your arguments are a joke. > Surely that will not result in short term moderation of your behavior, > but, regrettably, if necessary I will have to look at further steps > such as to show that your anti-abuse is a joke of bad taste. > Now, prove that you also do not tolerate the contradictory banning me. > :))))) > Marilson > *From:* Brian Nisbet <mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> > *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 10:26 AM > *To:* Marilson <mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com> > *Cc:* Tobias Knecht <mailto:tk@abusix.com> > *Subject:* Recent List Discussion > Marilson, > > As I said on list and I have said before there is no place on the > mailing list for ad hominem attacks, personal insults or accusations > (really of any sort). This is a list to discuss how to deal with network > abuse. It is not here for you to act in the way you have acted today. > > Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are > not acting in the spirit of the RIPE community nor are you providing > useful content for the other members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group. > > I do not wish to have to take further action, but this email should be > taken as a warning that if your posts continue to have the content they > had today, that action will be taken. At the very least that will result > in short term moderation of your posts, but, regrettably, if necessary > we will have to look at further steps such as removal from the list. > > Brian > Co-Chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse WG > -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verf?gung. Mit freundlichen Gr??en, Volker A. Greimann - Rechtsabteilung - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann(a)key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur f?r den angegebenen Empf?nger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Ver?ffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empf?nger ist unzul?ssig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht f?r Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen. -------------------------------------------- Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Volker A. Greimann - legal department - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann(a)key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems CEO: Alexander Siffrin Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. 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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Recent List Discussion
by Marilson 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Volker wrote: > Can we tone down the rhetoric and stop accusing each other of criminal > activity (which in itself may be libel and therefore a criminal act). Volker, do as the others do, use a crystal ball instead of trying to guess - "maybe" "if" or, talk to your colleague Ralf Ramm of your KS teamabuse about our message exchange from 14 to 28-08-2015. It's a small example of how the bad ISPs act. See the proof of the crime and see the falsehood and complicity of your teamabuse. And stop guessing or someone can call you an accomplice. > If you have evidence of criminal activities, report them to the > appropriate authorities. I did that. I forwarded a dossier to DIG-DEIC - 4th Precinct - Crimes practiced by Electronic Media - 4dp.dig.deic(a)policiacivil.sp.gov.br reporting misrepresentation, swindle and criminal conspiracy. With evidence. Read again! WITH EVIDENCE. The scammer was born and lives in Brazil. But his accomplice, owner of Hetzner.de, was born and lives in Germany. This one is out of reach. Access the authorities of other countries and see what is the guidance for non-native denouncer. And stop talking nonsense. > Criminals will be convicted. If there is no > conviction, there probably is no crime but only hyperbole. Mamma mia! You've distorted everything. For there to be conviction there must be a crime. If there is no crime, probably there is no conviction. Can a native help us about the word conviction? Hyperbole? Exaggerated statements? For 18 months, 18 MONTHS, I reported a same criminal customer to YOUR COLLEAGUE, with evidence. For each complaint the teamabuse of YOUR COLLEAGUE replied that the IP was suspended. And in the next day the customer of YOUR COLLEAGUE was sending scam with a new IP. I denounced a client by name, Marcos Antonio Hora da Silva, and YOUR COLLEAGUE suspended an IP as if an IP could commit a crime. It is a lot of disrespect, excess of mockery, excess of arrogance, excess of abuse that need to be punished. And the possible punishment is to properly qualify them using the adjectives that best explain their actions. And mass dissemination to the whole world. Hyperbole?! Marilson From: anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:00 AM To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Send anti-abuse-wg mailing list submissions to anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at anti-abuse-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of anti-abuse-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Recent List Discussion (Volker Greimann) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 12:50:03 +0200 From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann(a)key-systems.net> To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Recent List Discussion Message-ID: <940b1104-a1cb-4672-bb8b-b96d649357c1(a)key-systems.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Can we tone down the rhetoric and stop accusing each other of criminal activity (which in itself may be libel and therefore a criminal act). If you have evidence of criminal activities, report them to the appropriate authorities. Criminals will be convicted. If there is no conviction, there probably is no crime but only hyperbole. This has gone far enough. Best, Volker Am 31.05.2017 um 03:12 schrieb Marilson: > Brian, > Please read this very carefully. There is no place on the World for > people like you and your criminal partners, ISP owner. > This is a list to discuss how to protect network abuse. > Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are > not acting in the spirit of the Europe community nor are you providing > useful content for good people, for honest people. Neither you nor the > other members of the Pro-Abuse Working Group of R.O.T.T.E.N., ex-RIPE, > with rare exceptions. > I do not wish to have to take further action, ahhh I want to, and this > email should be taken as a warning that if you continue to act as you > have done until today, that action will be taken. You will have to > explain why you are scandalized by words like bullshit - Nazi - > criminal, but tolerate Nazi and criminal behavior of customer. Oh > yeah, you're not police and customer behavior is not your > responsibility, right? Nor reporting crimes is your responsibility, > right? Your arguments do not hold. In the face of the gravity of the > acts, your arguments are a joke. > Surely that will not result in short term moderation of your behavior, > but, regrettably, if necessary I will have to look at further steps > such as to show that your anti-abuse is a joke of bad taste. > Now, prove that you also do not tolerate the contradictory banning me. > :))))) > Marilson > *From:* Brian Nisbet <mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> > *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 10:26 AM > *To:* Marilson <mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com> > *Cc:* Tobias Knecht <mailto:tk@abusix.com> > *Subject:* Recent List Discussion > Marilson, > > As I said on list and I have said before there is no place on the > mailing list for ad hominem attacks, personal insults or accusations > (really of any sort). This is a list to discuss how to deal with network > abuse. It is not here for you to act in the way you have acted today. > > Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are > not acting in the spirit of the RIPE community nor are you providing > useful content for the other members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group. > > I do not wish to have to take further action, but this email should be > taken as a warning that if your posts continue to have the content they > had today, that action will be taken. At the very least that will result > in short term moderation of your posts, but, regrettably, if necessary > we will have to look at further steps such as removal from the list. > > Brian > Co-Chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse WG > -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verf?gung. Mit freundlichen Gr??en, Volker A. Greimann - Rechtsabteilung - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann(a)key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur f?r den angegebenen Empf?nger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Ver?ffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empf?nger ist unzul?ssig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht f?r Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen. -------------------------------------------- Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Volker A. Greimann - legal department - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann(a)key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems CEO: Alexander Siffrin Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Recent List Discussion
by Marilson 31 May '17

31 May '17

Brian, Please read this very carefully. There is no place on the World for people like you and your criminal partners, ISP owner. This is a list to discuss how to protect network abuse. Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are not acting in the spirit of the Europe community nor are you providing useful content for good people, for honest people. Neither you nor the other members of the Pro-Abuse Working Group of R.O.T.T.E.N., ex-RIPE, with rare exceptions. I do not wish to have to take further action, ahhh I want to, and this email should be taken as a warning that if you continue to act as you have done until today, that action will be taken. You will have to explain why you are scandalized by words like bullshit - Nazi - criminal, but tolerate Nazi and criminal behavior of customer. Oh yeah, you're not police and customer behavior is not your responsibility, right? Nor reporting crimes is your responsibility, right? Your arguments do not hold. In the face of the gravity of the acts, your arguments are a joke. Surely that will not result in short term moderation of your behavior, but, regrettably, if necessary I will have to look at further steps such as to show that your anti-abuse is a joke of bad taste. Now, prove that you also do not tolerate the contradictory banning me. :))))) Marilson From: Brian Nisbet Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:26 AM To: Marilson Cc: Tobias Knecht Subject: Recent List Discussion Marilson, As I said on list and I have said before there is no place on the mailing list for ad hominem attacks, personal insults or accusations (really of any sort). This is a list to discuss how to deal with network abuse. It is not here for you to act in the way you have acted today. Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are not acting in the spirit of the RIPE community nor are you providing useful content for the other members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group. I do not wish to have to take further action, but this email should be taken as a warning that if your posts continue to have the content they had today, that action will be taken. At the very least that will result in short term moderation of your posts, but, regrettably, if necessary we will have to look at further steps such as removal from the list. Brian Co-Chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse WG

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists
by Marilson 29 May '17

29 May '17

Brian wrote today: > I'm clearly going to have to point out, again, that this list is not the > place for any ad hominem attacks. Third time to be exact. > I know people will probably claim this is censorious or something. It's not censorship. In this particular case it is conspiracy, complicity, gang formation, whatever. 18 months denouncing the same ISP with the same scammer. Some of the complaints were copied to abuse(a)ripe.net in the hope that they would interfere with their client. Nothing was made. Oh yes, the statute does not envisage such an attitude. If this is alleged in any court certainly will be questioned about the company's social responsibility. And having received evidence of illegal activity practiced by a customer for so long, why not investigated or reported... Hide behind a statute to protect your bad customers is a petty attitude, dishonest and greedy. > and without guessing at the motives behind why > someone did something. Guessing??? Before writing such bullshit you should have the decency to look at the evidence of the crimes committed by your client. It's amazing how you all make up facts to disqualify denunciations. Marilson From: anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 9:16 AM To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:38:16 +0200 From: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie> To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists Message-ID: <f0254b21-a9b8-13ba-efd2-c357e5cef70c(a)heanet.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Folks, I'm clearly going to have to point out, again, that this list is not the place for any ad hominem attacks. It's that simple. And yes, calling someone a sociopath or a Nazi counts. I know people will probably claim this is censorious or something. It isn't. The discussions and information sharing can take place without these kind of references and without guessing at the motives behind why someone did something. Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 TRUNCATED

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight 29 May '17

29 May '17

Guys Can you please take this offlist? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 29/05/2017, 13:49, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net on behalf of andre(a)ox.co.za> wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:14:50 -0300 "Marilson" <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 28 Andre wrote: > > I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I do > > not have criminal competitors. > Although this phrase is beyond my capacity for understanding, does not stop you from commenting on it though.... > > Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner a > > Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior. > > I'll explain to you what is not acceptable behavior: no need to explain anything to anyone. we can all just read what you wrote. Andre

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists
by Brian Nisbet 29 May '17

29 May '17

This conversation has long ago lost any utility for the group. Please take your personal conversation off list. Brian Co-Chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse WG Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 ox wrote on 29/05/2017 14:35: > On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:02:14 -0300 > "Marilson" <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On May 28 Andre wrote: >>> ox.co.za does not have a website... it also never did not and does >>> not have wordpress, in any version... >> Day 27 your web address *ox.co.za* redirected to the website of your >> anti abuse system: http://ascams.com/spamid/ Now redirects to >> https://www.google.com.br/... What do you want to hide? No one >> accused you of anything. >> > it is just for you (the .br part :) ) > > actually it used to point to spamid.net - then that (spamid.net forwarded > to ascams.com and I just changed it to google.com, just for you :) > > maybe tomorrow it will point somewhere new and exciting *sigh* like a > leaf in the wind, so are the days of our lives, oh, no wait, that was > grains of sands, or no... sadly, I have forgotten what it truly was... > > just asked google, google knows everything! like sands through an > hourglass, so are the days of our lives. contented *sigh* > > Mind you, I just asked google who wrote that and it seem that William J > Bell wrote the soap and may have based it on a song written by queen > drummer Roger Taylor > > this thread is about as useful to anti abuse as all that was :) > >>>> Do you like to prejudge? Buy a crystal ball! >> >>> I do actually own a crystal ball... so, I do not need one, what I >>> need is a user manual... >> >> The user manual of a crystal ball is a dishonest mind. Are you sure >> you need one? >> > okay, I did not know that the manual of a crystal ball was a dishonest > mind, if that is the case mine is working perfectly as all I can see is a crystal ball... > > Good to know either way that it is not broken, I always wondered about that... > > Andre > > >

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists
by Marilson 29 May '17

29 May '17

On May 28 Andre wrote: > I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I do > not have criminal competitors. Although this phrase is beyond my capacity for understanding, I think I should greet you for not fearing unfair competition. > Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner a > Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior. I'll explain to you what is not acceptable behavior: 1- It is you being customer of a provider owner with a professional life history worthy of an arrogant sociopath with the attitudes of a Nazi despot - reread the curriculum I related. 2- It is you acting like some Afrikaners who defended the principles of the National Socialist Party - read Nazism - that gave support to the maintenance of apartheid in your homeland. Heil Hetzner! 3- It is an ISP owner refusing to suspend a reported customer numerous times, for 18 months, with evidence of the practice of crime. 4- It is an ISP owner to allow a victim of his client to spend 18 months denouncing the same scam, the same scammer. > It is hate speech in itself and disrespectful to civil society. A hate speech: If I lived in Germany I would have sued this tramp. From where I am I can only insult and report him to the world. Disrespect to civil society are his relationships with sociopath despots like Putin, are his attacks on freedom of the press, are his pursuits those who fight spammers and give support for reported criminals. Disrespect to civil society it is to defend and hire the services of people who should be arrested. Heil Coetzee! Marilson From: ox Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:21 AM To: Marilson Cc: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:26:42 -0300 "Marilson" <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > If you continue to call your competitors from criminal companies > someone will call you Pot. :) > No, firstly, there is no competition between lists... All lists have different data and sometimes different priorities and focus. (Did you see the SORBS lists 30 days, recent, all time - this has time focus - some lists adds weight for RIR, some lists focus on actual syndicates, some on actual bot tech, some aggregate bots & syndicates - for example - on your one IP number you may be hosting 900 domains and only one of those belong to a crime syndicate sending spear or to a child pornographer. - if you are on that list - find your criminal - and get rid of them... some lists are rolled by hand, dedicated and with zero (or next to zero) false positives. some lists randomly list ip numbers, etc. a list is a list and the quality of a list depends on the maintenance thereof and the value it ads to society. This value is sometimes displayed in the 'score' or numerical weight attached to programs similar to spamassassin assigned to a list by independent users. Secondly, I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I do not have criminal competitors. Lastly, if there is a list that is listing other lists for no reason and also lists honeynets (traps) and victims - the advantage for doing that is only to criminal enterprise. Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner a Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior. It is hate speech in itself and disrespectful to civil society. Andre

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists
by Marilson 29 May '17

29 May '17

On May 27 I wrote: >> It is interesting to note that from yesterday to today, your website >> went from "high risk", according to Sucuri.net, to "low risk" (what >> nonsense!) and your WorldPress is updated with version 4.7.5. You can >> make the joke you want with the versions, but you ran to update your >> WorldPress, yesterday or today. On May 28 Andre wrote: > ox.co.za does not have a website... it also never did not and does not > have wordpress, in any version... Day 27 your web address *ox.co.za* redirected to the website of your anti abuse system: http://ascams.com/spamid/ Now redirects to https://www.google.com.br/... What do you want to hide? No one accused you of anything. > how is my security score today? > if you do 'research' and you base your 'research' on flawed tools, the > results of your research will be flawed... Why do you insist on judging me? Because I said that my research system is more appropriate than yours ?! I wrote that the Sucuri evaluation it was a NONSENSE. Moreover, Sucuri.net invents infections to sell service. And I have proof of that. I never make statements without proof and I believe that is exactly what bothers everybody so much. Try to find in your crystal ball a better reason to judge me. Your argumentation based on supposition is depressing. >> Do you like to prejudge? Buy a crystal ball! >I do actually own a crystal ball... so, I do not need one, what I need >is a user manual... The user manual of a crystal ball is a dishonest mind. Are you sure you need one? Marilson From: ox Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:39 AM To: Marilson Cc: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:42:11 -0300 "Marilson" <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I did not know my English is so bad. I do not know spfbl.net and I do > not use information from anti-spam companies because my research is > more appropriate than yours. You are rambling and have a bad habit of > judging who you do not know. Information about your WordPress > outdated I got into > > https://sitecheck.sucuri.net/results/ox.co.za > > It is interesting to note that from yesterday to today, your website > went from "high risk", according to Sucuri.net, to "low risk" (what > nonsense!) and your WorldPress is updated with version 4.7.5. You can > make the joke you want with the versions, but you ran to update your > WorldPress, yesterday or today. > ox.co.za does not have a website... it also never did not and does not have wordpress, in any version... how is my security score today? ooh, I see no web firewall, wonder what the website looks like... if you do 'research' and you base your 'research' on flawed tools, the results of your research will be flawed... then, I can hint to you that whatever sucuri.net may have checked is probably not even wordpress at all, never mind at what version :) > Do you like to prejudge? Buy a crystal ball! > I do actually own a crystal ball... so, I do not need one, what I need is a user manual... Andre

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists
by Marilson 29 May '17

29 May '17

On May 26 ox wrote: > ROFLMAO you are so funny! sending from an @gmail.com email address :) (the pot & kettle thing) I'm glad you're having fun, after all you're always dissatisfied with the acceptance of your arguments... But do not worry! You will never be persona non grata to the group as I am. ;) For your enjoyment I will improve the joke I told you about: (because I am Google/Hetzner.de) 1- In 2013 Martin Hetzner blocked the blog of a customer, an Estonian anti-spam activist (Tonu Samuel) because he reported an alleged spammer (Silver Teede). An Estonian Court awarded Samuel damages for the loss of his servers. 2- On Aug 2014, in the service of a Putin repressive organ, Roskomnadzor, blocked the online newspaper Glavcom.ua to prevent him from publishing news about the federalization of Siberia. There was so much repercussion that apologized but Glavcom changed provider. Martin Hetzner dared to confront freedom of the press for Putin. 3- On Jan 2016, Hetzner blocked the St. Petersburg site of Novaya Gazeta, the leading oppositional, non-governmental newspaper in Russia. It was another act of repression of freedom of the press in favor of his idol, the psychopath Putin. 4- And refuses to suspend criminal customers and spammers. And he pursues those who denounce as he did with Tonu Samuel (item 1 above). 5- This sociopath, Mr. Martin Hetzner, has been trying, since 2015, to hide his criminal customer, but he has failed. Perhaps this incompetence explain your need to have illicit activities to not go bankrupt. But what would explain his professional life story? 6- This sociopath, owner of hetzner.de, is determined to prove that he is above the laws and regulations. I have denounced your customer, Marcos Antonio da Hora Silva, a criminal and hated Brazilian spammer, since 2015, with evidence of criminal activity. (From my complaint of January 9, 2017) @Andre, about the "pot-kettle situation" you are partially correct. After reporting for the third time the same scammer to the same ISP, I practice spam. I copy my complaint to everyone: for all the providers involved, main medias, institutions that fight spam, Anonymous, RIR and police organs to combat crime on the Internet (4dp.dig.deic(a)policiacivil.sp.gov.br in my Sao Paulo city). I accept your insult (pot-kettle) as a "spammer" to combat spammer and criminal ISPs. But do not confuse me with your Nazi colleagues. My humanist education does not allow me to act like a sociopath, irritating and extorting people. Denouncing is my duty as a citizen. If you continue to call your competitors from criminal companies someone will call you Pot. :) Marilson From: ox Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:38 AM To: Marilson Cc: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists On Fri, 26 May 2017 05:24:51 -0300 "Marilson" <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > look at the headers of this email, check my hetzner.de IP number > > and then do the same for other reporting systems... > OMG, you are using Hetzner.de as a sender! An ISP with a dirty > history of repression of press freedom and defense of spammers and > arrogant political psychopaths. > ROFLMAO you are so funny! sending from an @gmail.com email address :) (the pot & kettle thing) Andre

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