Abuse desks don't have the option not to. The usual responses to their using these reasons not to act involve blocking and null routing. Some ccTLD managers figured that out too, the hard way - hkdnr for the hk cctld sometime in like 2008 when they ended up with more botnet cc and spam domains than legitimate ones and only reacted after extensive blocking and media attention began to kick in. I remember but can't find a preso from Bonnie Chun of hkdnr at an apwg cecos event around then. --srs ________________________________ From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 9:37 PM To: Suresh Ramasubramanian Cc: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 New Policy Proposal (Validation of "abuse-mailbox") Hi, indeed, and this is why we should just not go there. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279