In message <0A339F88-8746-458D-A868-7BD3058B89E6@consulintel.es>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
I see it in the other way around. Forms are not useful at all. You need to manually fill in the form, unless you modify the automated reporting tools for ?each? ?form-holder?. Many of them also ask you to create an account in their ticketing system, but because you?re not their customer, you actually can?t do it, or can?t use it, etc. ? When I tried to follow the steps, with major datacenters, such as OVH (one very common hoster of ?bad? customers, not to say criminals), they never solve the issues, or you can?t see the ?results? of the investigation (I tend to think that never investigated in fact ?).
It's really too bad that this WG could never even agree to define the term "abuse". If there was a definition of "abuse", the perhaps some further forward movement would be possible, specifically, as should be obvious from what Jordi posted (which reflects the common and shared experience of most of us) if we had a definition of "abuse" to start from, then we might be able to move on to developing a Best Practices document for -responding- to various kinds of abuse reports. It's crystal clear, and has been already for many many years, that many networks are so far away from what might be called "optimal" abuse report handing that many are actually doing things that no only do not prevent or deter abuse, but rather, the actions of some networks are actually and actively encouraging, fostering, and supporting abuse. Unlike the present situation here on earth, on any sane planet there would at least be some generally agreed upon yardstick that would allow the community to say definitively, and based on evidence, that "Provider X is doing a perfectly abysmal job of handling abuse reports" or conversely that "Provider Y is doing a fine job of professionally handing abuse reports." Unfortunately, as of now, here on planet earth we can only share unscientific anecdotes and (possibly biased) personal opinions. Regards, rfg