I might just introduce a counter proposal to retire mutt / pine / elm type console clients and their quoting styles. I am not entirely sure why such a triviality based on an outmoded convention is side tracking the discussion here.

In any case, the argument has been put forward that all LIRs are legitimate organizations with overworked abuse desk personnel whose jobs shouldn't be made harder.

That statement unfortunately stands or falls by the first part of it, that all LIRs are legitimate. It seems entirely possible for anybody at all to register a company and follow the paperwork required to become a LIR and then allocate /14s at a time back in the day and maybe smaller netblocks now to malicious actors.

With several countries in the RIPE region that have a major crime and corruption problem, no extradition or mlat treaties with the US or Europe and some that have used internet crime as a method of waging war in the past, it is the very last assumption you must base your policies on, let alone mailing list arguments.

--srs

From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 3:46 PM
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Cc: Brian Nisbet; Gert Doering; Suresh Ramasubramanian; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 New Policy Proposal (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

Hi,

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:13:12PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> Anyway, this is a curious thing ... last week I was asked in the LACNIC meeting policy session to avoid responding in-line to emails about policy discussions.

"If you go to Rome, do as the romans do" = "follow local customs"

And Outlook *can* do that.

Gert Doering
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