Hi Alessandro, El 17/1/20 10:24, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Alessandro Vesely" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de vesely@tana.it> escribió: Hi, a few points: The “abuse-mailbox:” attribute must be available in an unrestricted way via whois, APIs and future techniques. I'd explicitly mention RDAP here. It's not a future technique any more You're right, we can explicitly mention RDAP. Confirm that the resource holder understands the procedure and the policy, that they regularly monitor the abuse-mailbox, that measures are taken, and that abuse reports receive a response. I'd skip the last line. In my automated abuse reports a add a header field like "X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, OOF, AutoReply". Yet, many abuse team send automatic notifications that I have to skim, possibly hiding real replies that need attention. Responses are due only if needed. Furthermore, couldn't the RIPE NCC have a web form, possibly advertised in RDAP output, where receivers of NDNs from abuse-c contacts can notify that a given mailbox bounces? The effect of filling such form would be to advance the mailbox position in the validation queue. Finally, IMHO: On Tue 14/Jan/2020 10:24:42 +0100 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > El 14/1/20 0:11, "Leo Vegoda" <leo@vegoda.org> escribió: > >> It creates hope for reporters and wastes the RIPE NCC's and the >> reporters' resources by forcing unwilling organizations to spend >> cycles on unproductive activity. >> >> Why not give networks two options? >> >> 1. Publish a reliable method for people to submit abuse reports - and act on it >> 2. Publish a statement to the effect that the network operator does >> not act on abuse reports >> >> This would save lots of wasted effort and give everyone more reliable >> information about the proportion of networks/operators who will and >> won't act on abuse reports. > > Even if I think that the operators MUST process abuse cases, if the > community thinks otherwise, I'm happy to support those two options in the > proposal. For example, an autoresponder in the abuse-c mailbox for those > that don't intend to process the abuse cases to option 2 above? No, autoresponders waste even more resources. In case, let's use a conventional address like, say, noone@localhost to decline to receive abuse reports. There would be no attempt to validate such address. There are a number of cases, especially in large organizations, where a mailbox fails to work because email refurbishing resulted in mail loops, erroneous forwarding, dead relays, and the like. Having an alternative contact can bring attention to the fact and reestablish the functionality. There are cases where there is no abuse team and holders don't care. Sooner or later the community will find out how to set up some kind of Don't Route Or Peer list of those. However, forcing them to have a "working" abuse-c is nonsensical. Best Ale > > > There might be some value in having the RIPE NCC cooperate with > networks who want help checking that their abuse-c is working. But > this proposal seems to move the RIPE NCC from the role of a helpful > coordinator towards that of an investigator and judge. > > No, I don't think so, but I'm happy to modify the text if it looks like that. > > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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