Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote: Hi Michele,
On 19 Dec 2011, at 15:29, russ@consumer.net wrote:
That is a simplistic argument from the early days the Internet and is often not true anymore.
Ok, so how big is the network that you are running?
Hm. Lets use Russ' own tools at network-tools.com to estimate that: TraceRoute to 67.222.132.203 [consumer.net] Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name 1 0 0 0 67.222.132.203 67.222.132.203.tailormadeservers.com Trace complete badly enough this whois service does not show any networks, well lets look those up myself: Comcast Business Communications, LLC CBC-PHILADELPHIA-29 (NET-70-90-0-0-1) 70.90.0.0 - 70.90.31.255 and THEKEYWORDFACTORYLLC THEKEYWORDFACTORYLLCNET (NET-67-222-132-192-1) 67.222.132.192 - 67.222.132.254 and a whois for one of those domains Whois query for nwtools.com... Results returned from whois.internic.net: ... (the usual internic stuff) ... Domain Name: NWTOOLS.COM Registrar: TUCOWS.COM CO. Whois Server: whois.tucows.com Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net Name Server: DNS.CONSUMER.NET Name Server: DNS2.CONSUMER.NET Status: ok Updated Date: 12-dec-2011 Creation Date: 23-feb-2005 Expiration Date: 23-feb-2015 ... (the usual disclaimer) ... Results returned from whois.tucows.com: IP Address: 67.222.132.193 Maximum Daily connection limit reached. Lookup refused. **** Daily limit reached, looks like Tucows is trying to protect their own service, those bad, bad boys :o ) **** Hm, so I have to use our own whois at Tucows (we are reseller of Tucows :o) Registrant: Consumer.net, LLC PO Box 1860 Ocean City, NJ 08226 US Domain name: CONSUMER.NET Administrative Contact: Domain Administrator, Consumer.net whois222@consumer.net PO Box 1860 Ocean City, NJ 08226 US +1.6093983301 consumer.net is an LCC. It calls itself "web development company", but does not seem to have any customers. consumer.net seems to simply bake a few network tools and copyright and privacy website (wich mostly consist of a handfull "tweets" from twitter without even an own "design" or own software installed on the own servers (so it looks like, if those sites are giving all http-logs completly over to twitter !) and places adverts all over them (even on the own homepage !) to make money from it. consumer.net is no IANA or ARIN (or other RIR) member (as far as I could search the net), does not own a own network and seems to simply rent a few housing server at two different provider. Furthermore, all "web design customers" share the same few IPs and the same "design". Finally directly from www.consumer.net: " The types of advertisements displayed are based on a number of factors such as this site's content and your Internet browsing and search history. See the Privacy Policy for more information. This information is collected if a purchases are made, advertising services are purchased, or an inquiry is made. No third party marketers are used. " So: consumer.net should not have any data about me visiting his site :o) But this "service" is giving my data already to third parties, e.g google and twitter Great ... BTW: there are 27 links pointing to www.consumer.net in google and they are mostly from its other own sites. So my estimation is: - one person - two servers - 5 IPs - no customers at all - makes profit from collecting services from third parties (what is probably not allowed from those parties at all, otherwise consumer.net would have no access limits :o) - gives all visitors data to third parties I can only hope that this silly discussion will stop now. Brian: please do something, that we are coming back to mails regarding abuse AND ripe ... Kind regards, Frank -- PHADE Software - PowerWeb http://www.powerweb.de Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast mailto:frank@powerweb.de Schinkelstrasse 17 fon: +49 33200 52920 14558 Nuthetal OT Rehbruecke, Germany fax: +49 33200 52921 ======================================================================