Dear Andre, do not be so severe with my friend Olaf, the Prince of Spam. He
is not 'behaving like a spammer', he is a spammer and does not hide it. 'Sending
multiple emails, one after the other' is force of habit. :)
You can be condescending for two reasons: he is not a hypocrite and is
being victimized for his activities. He is paying a high price and reacts with
anger (sorry Olaf). But he is paying due his actions.
Worry about those who continue to act like greedy psychopaths under the
umbrella of RIPE and their governments.
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Message:
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:10:55 +0200
From: ox
<andre@ox.co.za>
To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re:
[anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:34:34 +0000
HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl>
wrote:
<snip>
>
> i don't see 'tv advertisements' as a
problem, cuz i never watch tv.
>
> i don't see 'spam' as a problem,
cuz i (barely) never use smtp.
>
For those that do use smtp, and to
identify those isps that refuse to
stop abusing others, there needs to be a
list.
and, if you are an isp, making money from pushing packets, you need
to
be responsible for what packets you are puching, from child porn
to
common spam.
for someone who do not care, you do rant and rave a
lot though.
and yes, technology will improve so that horse carts are not
on the
autobahn, but even when there are no horsecarts on the autobahn
you
still cannot push child porn or other rubbish on the autobahn as
the
autobahn has rules for all the cars traveling on
it.
Andre
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Message:
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:45:24 +0200
From: ox
<andre@ox.co.za>
To: "Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>
Cc:
Jeffrey Race <jrace@post.harvard.edu>,
"anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"
<anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: Re:
[anti-abuse-wg] Language on List
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:34:50
-0500
"Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> The
universal rule of ladies and gentlemen is to avoid giving
I take very
strong exception to this and on on this list. This type of
sexual
stereotyping is not only archaic but is extremely offensive to
some people.
Offensive comments has no place on an abuse workgroup and I demand
an
unqualified apology from jrace@post.harvard.edu
Or, barring an apology, I
would like jrace@post.harvard.edu to
agree to self punish: Force
yourself to watch two seasons of Bart
Simpson (i suggest season 6 and maybe
9...)
For the rest of his post, the writer has lost touch with reality
and
clearly has a higher regard for sensibilities than for
communication
and the free (OPEN) exchange of ideas.
"Helping someone out" does not
mean helping them from the side of the
ditch into the actual ditch. It
similarly does not mean that you should
publish your bias and be as offensive
as others have been.
Then, your reply is pov (point of view - yours) your
opinions are not facts...
For example, someone else may have
the opinion that:
Expletives are useful, not only to display relationship
and for
communicative use but are fun to use!
Offense is a choice and
although I have understanding of your repressed
humanity, a one word response
to your post could simply have been
"balls"
And, speaking for myself,
it is humorous when the boss farts by
accident in a very formal
meeting.
What can I say, I am but a course obnoxious shitting and
laughing
brute. And I laugh at the thought of me, a killer (I eat meat) and
my
body processing that into energy (most of which is used by my brain)
because the reality is so very freaky.
I believe the British called
my culture "Boors" because we seem so
common, unsophisticated and, well
"boorish" In truth we have so
much ubuntu, so much compassion but we do not
like bullshit.
I hope that all helped you out (but probably not as
Dinosaurs are as
dinosaurs do...)
Andre
> offense.
So one does not discuss or use references
> (unless in a professional
context e.g. doctor) to excretion or
> sexual behavior. One
avoids any negative references to
> other persons and to political or
religious beliefs.
>
> Those are good practices for this
list. So excluding crap
> and merde which are offensive
words.
>
> Re: "generalised swearing. It's a part of modern
language" --
> that's a culture-specific interpretation. Such
behavior
> doesn't occur in most of the world and it never
occurred
> when I was growing up in 1950s America; then
> I went
abroad for 45 years and coming back to America
> smutty language is indeed
widespread. It's not 'modern':
> it's a degenerate
phenomenon of certain cultures. It's
> unknown in much of the
world. It's repugnant to refined
> sensibilities.
Behaving this way doesn't betoken one's
> "modernity" -- it betoken's
one's personal coarseness.
>
> Jeffrey Race
>
>
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Message: 3
Date:
Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:37:06 +0200
From: ox <andre@ox.co.za>
To:
anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol
62, Issue 33
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:08:19 +0000
HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> smtp
falls into the same catagory as telex, faxes, morse code, etc.
> 'has been
methods of communications'. whereas telex and faxes and
do you think that
if you say the same thing over and over and over, it
is going to make it
true?
you have heard from other people (Marilson) as well: smtp is
relevant, smtp is important
- and the entire reason you are ranting and
raving and sending five emails after each
other to an abuse work group is
smtp
Then, you are abusing an abuse workgroup by sending multiple emails,
one
after the other...
You are behaving like a spammer - blasting out
multiple emails, one
after the other, not waiting for someone to reply to
your email,
instead firing of three to six extra emails right after each
other.
What you are doing is not communication, you are simply pumping
out the
same message over and over and over and you are not even bothering
to
read replies to respond as you are responding to yourself,
multiple
times.
So, when you reply to yourself, does it feel to you
that your point is
clearer?
I do not even read your emails anymore,
and I recall some of them were
a useful and did contain good ideas, but it is
too much effort
to read your replies to yourself and now it is simply
repetitive. Like
your new thread, complaining about *drumroll*
Spamhaus
I did not use Spamhaus, but after all your ranting and raving I
may
actually start using them, they must be doing something worthwhile
to
draw so much anger. In fact, let me try Spamhaus and give the wg my
pov
as I do not have a pov about spamhaus atm and maybe the lesson to
be
learned from HRH Prince Olaf, is to try Spamhaus for myself? Maybe
buy
some of their commercial
products?)
Andre
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Message:
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:47:09 +0200
From: ox
<andre@ox.co.za>
To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re:
[anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 10:23:07 +0000
HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 01 ???, 2017
? 05:10, ox wrote:
> > For those that do use smtp, and to identify
those isps that refuse
> > to stop abusing others, there needs to be a
list.
> >
> that's all very cute... as long as that 'list of
isps' would remain
<snip snip>
> going 'spamhaus is now listing
OUR networks, our sales department
> can't send mail to 1/3rd of the world
and they demand we disconnect
luckily for you, smtp is dead and non
important to you - so you can
Facebook your clients :)
Personally, I
do not want emails from people (isps) who enable
kiddie porn, spam, phish or
other rubbish - so I CHOOSE to use RBLs
that I trust and that I know are
operated fairly and ethically.
If isps want to be paid for pushing
packets they need to take
responsibility fro what they are pushing (CONTENT)
- pushing child
pornography, slavery and a whole buch of evil is simply not
acceptable.
It is not acceptable to say: I push traffic and I do not care
what it
is or how it is destroying little kids or the lives of innocent
people.
Andre
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Issue
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