Hello Everyone, On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 09:02:24 +0100 Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:

Colleagues, Here is the draft agenda for RIPE 73. The AA-WG meeting will be taking place on Thursday 27th October at 12:00 CEST.

We're pretty full at this point, but there is some possible room if something urgent crops up. It would also be good if some of those who are involved in the definition of abuse conversation might be interested in taking an active part in the discussion on that topic?

27th October at 12:00 CEST I will unfortunately be in the air somewhere over the Atlantic ocean, I would have loved to participate in any discussion regarding us actually defining what abuse is - i.e our very raison d'etre - It is patently clear that the prevailing attitude is that "I will know abuse when I see it" This is wrong on so many levels, as per my recent example of Hetzner.de forced to become a court of law and being a prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner as a two line sentence in a 5000 word body is claimed to be "copyright infringement" by an anonymous third party whom is threatening to invoke German law. As "copyright infringement claims" are Internet Abuse... Which of course is completely wrong. Copyright infringement claims may be criminal, civil cases, many other types of abuse - but NOT Internet abuse. It is exactly similar to claiming that a motor vehicle used by a person to transport them to a meeting is "Road Abuse" or "Car/Vehicle Abuse" and therefore the vehicle license disks must be suspended. If the same vehicle is used in a bank robbery, then the road act is not applied. In fact the real crime is called "bank robbery" or armed robbery and whether the vehicle is road worthy or not is not an issue. Until RIPE clearly defines what Internet Abuse is, we are all talking about a cow, but your cow is a bull, my cow is a donkey and someone else's cow is actually called a cat by most of society. We are all calling this thing a cow. Andre Coetzee

A. Administrative Matters - 5'

* Welcome * Scribe, Jabber, Stenography * Microphone Etiquette * Approve Minutes from RIPE 72 * Finalise agenda

B. Update - 25'

* B1. Recent List Discussion * B2. Definition of Abuse

C. Policies - 0' * C1.

D. Interactions - 15'

* D1. Working Groups * D2. RIPE NCC Presentation

E. Presentation - 50'

* E1. EC3 Presentation - Gregory Mounier * E2. Website-Targeted False Content Injection by Network Operators - Gabi Nakibly

X. A.O.B.

Z. Agenda for RIPE 74

Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG