Can they really demand on customer data?
Hi colleagues: I have notice an interesting part of the DCMA claim, most them looks like "Nike also demands that you provide the names, postal addresses, e-mail addresses, and telephone numbers of the registrants of XXX". But the important thing is, doesn't that conflict with privacy laws, can they really demand private data without court order? How do you think about it? -- -- Kind regards. Lu This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received.
Lu They can ask for lots of things. You're not obliged to supply them We get asked for customer data all the time as part of phishing notifications etc., Apart from anything else our customers usually aren't the perpetrators, so I fail to understand why they even ask Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://mneylon.tel/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________________ From: anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net [anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net] on behalf of Lu Heng [h.lu@anytimechinese.com] Sent: 02 February 2012 18:38 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Can they really demand on customer data? Hi colleagues: I have notice an interesting part of the DCMA claim, most them looks like "Nike also demands that you provide the names, postal addresses, e-mail addresses, and telephone numbers of the registrants of XXX". But the important thing is, doesn't that conflict with privacy laws, can they really demand private data without court order? How do you think about it? -- -- Kind regards. Lu This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by persons other than the intended addressee(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify this office immediately and e-mail the original at the sender's address above by replying to this message and including the text of the transmission received.
On Thursday 02 February 2012 19.38, Lu Heng wrote:
Hi colleagues:
I have notice an interesting part of the DCMA claim, most them looks like "Nike also demands that you provide the names, postal addresses, e-mail addresses, and telephone numbers of the registrants of XXX". But the important thing is, doesn't that conflict with privacy laws, can they really demand private data without court order? How do you think about it?
There is no need for you to answer at all. If they have valid legal claims they will come back with proper authority. And as this does not seem to be an abuse-issue it's not you call. ( remember that everything received by email might have been lost in transport :-), unless you answer there is nothing that can prove that you received it. ( of course you MUS does not return message notifications, but that is moot anyway since it does not prove that you actually got the mail) Just relay and ignore. Reacting abuse issues is another issue. The must be dealth with swift and with result. Termination is an effective way of dealing with abuse.
-- Peter Håkanson There's never money to do it right, but always money to do it again ... and again ... and again ... and again. ( Det är billigare att göra rätt. Det är dyrt att laga fel. )
Yes. Termination is an effective way to get rid off abuse and fraud. Together we fight against scam and fraud. ISPs should take immediate actions to curb these evil activities. scam fighter -----Original Message----- From: peter h <peter@hk.ipsec.se> To: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 4:27 am Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Can they really demand on customer data? On Thursday 02 February 2012 19.38, Lu Heng wrote:
Hi colleagues:
I have notice an interesting part of the DCMA claim, most them looks like "Nike also demands that you provide the names, postal addresses, e-mail addresses, and telephone numbers of the registrants of XXX". But the important thing is, doesn't that conflict with privacy laws, can they really demand private data without court order? How do you think about it?
There is no need for you to answer at all. If they have valid legal claims they will come back with proper authority. And as this does not seem to be an abuse-issue it's not you call. ( remember that everything received by email might have been lost in transport :-), unless you answer there is nothing that can prove that you received it. ( of course you MUS does not return message notifications, but that is moot anyway since it does not prove that you actually got the mail) Just relay and ignore. Reacting abuse issues is another issue. The must be dealth with swift and with result. Termination is an effective way of dealing with abuse.
-- Peter Håkanson There's never money to do it right, but always money to do it again ... and again ... and again ... and again. ( Det är billigare att göra rätt. Det är dyrt att laga fel. )
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