Hi guys: I think I really should make myself clear here. (Sorry for sending 3 mails in a row as I just realise people are taking to me one by one) I do not against abuse c or support it, I just don't think it will make much difference. That's all I have to say about abuse c. However, I do against the idea "if we not managing the internet the gov will step in and take over". The last thing I would want the community is doing the gov's managing job for them. So that's what my last email about.

On 5 Mar 2016, at 08:32, andre@ox.co.za wrote:

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 17:55:16 +0000 Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: <snip>

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We are not managing the internet, we are book keeping really.

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If you are correct (and imho you are)

the whole point of book keeping is to have accurate data and records

so, pick your poison. All POV leads to exactly the same thing: the ncc needs accurate abuse-c as much as any of the other data.