Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists
On May 26 ox wrote:
ROFLMAO you are so funny! sending from an @gmail.com email address :) (the pot & kettle thing)
I'm glad you're having fun, after all you're always dissatisfied with the acceptance of your arguments... But do not worry! You will never be persona non grata to the group as I am. ;) For your enjoyment I will improve the joke I told you about: (because I am Google/Hetzner.de) 1- In 2013 Martin Hetzner blocked the blog of a customer, an Estonian anti-spam activist (Tonu Samuel) because he reported an alleged spammer (Silver Teede). An Estonian Court awarded Samuel damages for the loss of his servers. 2- On Aug 2014, in the service of a Putin repressive organ, Roskomnadzor, blocked the online newspaper Glavcom.ua to prevent him from publishing news about the federalization of Siberia. There was so much repercussion that apologized but Glavcom changed provider. Martin Hetzner dared to confront freedom of the press for Putin. 3- On Jan 2016, Hetzner blocked the St. Petersburg site of Novaya Gazeta, the leading oppositional, non-governmental newspaper in Russia. It was another act of repression of freedom of the press in favor of his idol, the psychopath Putin. 4- And refuses to suspend criminal customers and spammers. And he pursues those who denounce as he did with Tonu Samuel (item 1 above). 5- This sociopath, Mr. Martin Hetzner, has been trying, since 2015, to hide his criminal customer, but he has failed. Perhaps this incompetence explain your need to have illicit activities to not go bankrupt. But what would explain his professional life story? 6- This sociopath, owner of hetzner.de, is determined to prove that he is above the laws and regulations. I have denounced your customer, Marcos Antonio da Hora Silva, a criminal and hated Brazilian spammer, since 2015, with evidence of criminal activity. (From my complaint of January 9, 2017) @Andre, about the "pot-kettle situation" you are partially correct. After reporting for the third time the same scammer to the same ISP, I practice spam. I copy my complaint to everyone: for all the providers involved, main medias, institutions that fight spam, Anonymous, RIR and police organs to combat crime on the Internet (4dp.dig.deic@policiacivil.sp.gov.br in my Sao Paulo city). I accept your insult (pot-kettle) as a "spammer" to combat spammer and criminal ISPs. But do not confuse me with your Nazi colleagues. My humanist education does not allow me to act like a sociopath, irritating and extorting people. Denouncing is my duty as a citizen. If you continue to call your competitors from criminal companies someone will call you Pot. :) Marilson From: ox Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:38 AM To: Marilson Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists On Fri, 26 May 2017 05:24:51 -0300 "Marilson" <marilson.mapa@gmail.com> wrote:
look at the headers of this email, check my hetzner.de IP number and then do the same for other reporting systems... OMG, you are using Hetzner.de as a sender! An ISP with a dirty history of repression of press freedom and defense of spammers and arrogant political psychopaths.
ROFLMAO you are so funny! sending from an @gmail.com email address :) (the pot & kettle thing) Andre
On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:26:42 -0300 "Marilson" <marilson.mapa@gmail.com> wrote:
If you continue to call your competitors from criminal companies someone will call you Pot. :)
No, firstly, there is no competition between lists... All lists have different data and sometimes different priorities and focus. (Did you see the SORBS lists 30 days, recent, all time - this has time focus - some lists adds weight for RIR, some lists focus on actual syndicates, some on actual bot tech, some aggregate bots & syndicates - for example - on your one IP number you may be hosting 900 domains and only one of those belong to a crime syndicate sending spear or to a child pornographer. - if you are on that list - find your criminal - and get rid of them... some lists are rolled by hand, dedicated and with zero (or next to zero) false positives. some lists randomly list ip numbers, etc. a list is a list and the quality of a list depends on the maintenance thereof and the value it ads to society. This value is sometimes displayed in the 'score' or numerical weight attached to programs similar to spamassassin assigned to a list by independent users. Secondly, I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I do not have criminal competitors. Lastly, if there is a list that is listing other lists for no reason and also lists honeynets (traps) and victims - the advantage for doing that is only to criminal enterprise. Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner a Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior. It is hate speech in itself and disrespectful to civil society. Andre
Folks, I'm clearly going to have to point out, again, that this list is not the place for any ad hominem attacks. It's that simple. And yes, calling someone a sociopath or a Nazi counts. I know people will probably claim this is censorious or something. It isn't. The discussions and information sharing can take place without these kind of references and without guessing at the motives behind why someone did something. Brian Brian Nisbet Network Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 Marilson wrote on 28/05/2017 02:26:
On May 26 ox wrote:
ROFLMAO you are so funny! sending from an @gmail.com email address :) (the pot & kettle thing)
I'm glad you're having fun, after all you're always dissatisfied with the acceptance of your arguments... But do not worry! You will never be persona non grata to the group as I am. ;)
For your enjoyment I will improve the joke I told you about: (because I am Google/Hetzner.de)
1- In 2013 Martin Hetzner blocked the blog of a customer, an Estonian anti-spam activist (Tonu Samuel) because he reported an alleged spammer (Silver Teede). An Estonian Courtawarded Samuel damages for the loss of his servers. 2- On Aug 2014, in the service of a Putin repressive organ, Roskomnadzor, blocked the online newspaper Glavcom.ua to prevent him from publishing news about the federalization of Siberia. There was so much repercussion that apologized but Glavcom changed provider. Martin Hetzner dared to confront freedom of the press for Putin. 3- On Jan 2016, Hetzner blocked the St. Petersburg site of Novaya Gazeta, the leading oppositional, non-governmental newspaper in Russia. It was another act of repression of freedom of the press in favor of his idol, the psychopath Putin. 4- And refuses to suspend criminal customers and spammers. And he pursues those who denounce as he did with Tonu Samuel (item 1 above). 5- This sociopath, Mr. Martin Hetzner, has been trying, since 2015, to hide his criminal customer, but he has failed. Perhaps this incompetence explain your need to have illicit activities to not go bankrupt. But what would explain his professional life story? 6- This sociopath, owner of hetzner.de, is determined to prove that he is above the laws and regulations. I have denounced your customer, Marcos Antonio da Hora Silva, a criminal and hated Brazilian spammer, since 2015, with evidence of criminal activity. (From my complaint of January 9, 2017)
@Andre, about the "pot-kettle situation" you are partially correct. After reporting for the third time the same scammer to the same ISP, I practice spam. I copy my complaint to everyone: for all the providers involved, main medias, institutions that fight spam, Anonymous, RIR and police organs to combat crime on the Internet (4dp.dig.deic@policiacivil.sp.gov.br <mailto:4dp.dig.deic@policiacivil.sp.gov.br> in my Sao Paulo city).
I accept your insult (pot-kettle) as a "spammer" to combat spammer and criminal ISPs. But do not confuse me with your Nazi colleagues. My humanist education does not allow me to act like a sociopath, irritating and extorting people. Denouncing is my duty as a citizen.
If you continue to call your competitors from criminal companies someone will call you Pot. :)
Marilson
*From:* ox <mailto:andre@ox.co.za> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 6:38 AM *To:* Marilson <mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com> *Cc:* anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists
On Fri, 26 May 2017 05:24:51 -0300 "Marilson" <marilson.mapa@gmail.com> wrote:
look at the headers of this email, check my hetzner.de IP number and then do the same for other reporting systems... OMG, you are using Hetzner.de as a sender! An ISP with a dirty history of repression of press freedom and defense of spammers and arrogant political psychopaths.
ROFLMAO you are so funny! sending from an @gmail.com email address :) (the pot & kettle thing)
Andre
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